vogz
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Yes, the lugs aren’t threaded all the way through anyway and with the 5mm spacer all the lug threads are engaged on the studs.
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Model 3 Performance Spacers
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Yes, the lugs aren’t threaded all the way through anyway and with the 5mm spacer all the lug threads are engaged on the studs.
Speedgirl
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Thanks to you both, I appreciate the help and info! I will maybe wait until after I get it lowered and then go from there!
Interesting find. You're right, the only plausible explanation is a change in the mold for the 2020 Performance 20in wheels that reduced the depth of the cavity back.
There’s a 3mm lip on the hub mount that the latest 20in alloy mounts onto. This lip is shaped into the centre bore of the alloy, so creates a bore of 64.1 inner and 70.1 outer but only for the short recessed section (again around 3mm) that mounts to the hub. Maybe this is the difference?
Nope, that's not it. That 70.1mm center bore has always been present for all Model 3 Performance with the Performance Upgrade Option (red calipers, lowered ride height, etc). Something changed with the 2020 graphite wheels that made the back cavities have less depth vs 2018-2019 silver wheels.
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Where is this picture from? My hub measurements are 64.0 and 70.0. Not 64.1 & 70.1Nope, that's not it. That 70.1mm center bore has always been present for all Model 3 Performance with the Performance Upgrade Option (red calipers, lowered ride height, etc). Something changed with the 2020 graphite wheels that made the back cavities have less depth vs 2018-2019 silver wheels.
Sorry I should have added that the later Performance 20’ alloys have a cavity with less depth like you mention, so maybe Tesla switched manufacturer?Nope, that's not it. That 70.1mm center bore has always been present for all Model 3 Performance with the Performance Upgrade Option (red calipers, lowered ride height, etc). Something changed with the 2020 graphite wheels that made the back cavities have less depth vs 2018-2019 silver wheels.
vogz
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I haven’t seen any evidence that this is the case. Pre 2020 silver 20” wheel owners have reported the same issue. There was only one person saying it worked and he had an overseas 2020 model and has not returned to the thread to answer any more questions.
Two owners of pre 2020 models on page one of this thread say they don’t fit.
Model 3 Performance Spacers
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Yeah, I assumed before that 15mm spacers on pre 2020 P wheels would work but don’t have any proof/evidence. I just figured it would have surely come up and nobody with a p3d+ would be ordering <20mm spacers with integrated lugs.
Just as an FYI, this is what happens when you drive with 15mm spacers (I only did it for a few hundred feet). I should note that the metal is on the wheel is dimpled and that there was perceptible tapping like noise (almost like there was a loose lug nut) when I drove those few hundred feet. If left alone, over time the stock lugs will likely dent the inner cavities enough to no longer hear the noise but this could weaken that area of the wheel and also is clearly damaging the stock lugs. Not good and not worth it.
Just as an FYI, this is what happens when you drive with 15mm spacers (I only did it for a few hundred feet). I should note that the metal is on the wheel is dimpled and that there was perceptible tapping like noise (almost like there was a loose lug nut) when I drove those few hundred feet. If left alone, over time the stock lugs will likely dent the inner cavities enough to no longer hear the noise but this could weaken that area of the wheel and also is clearly damaging the stock lugs. Not good and not worth it.
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Well heck. I'll have to check the back of my late 2019 P silver wheels to see if I have those marks when I had the 15mm spacers on. I recently also purchased 2020 P graphite wheels so I'll take some measurements of the back cavities.
vogz
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It's really close to working on my 2020 wheels. Like I probably could have fully torqued them down and wheel surface probably would have been flush mounted on the spacer, but it would have indented the recesses in the wheel and deformed end of studs. I wasn't down for that.
I probably could have made it work as well and let the OEM studs wear down a bit from rubbing against the inside of the wheel cavities. But, that would be ghetto and may damage the studs enough to preclude going back to no spacers (without replacing the studs).
That all said, 15mm in the front had too much poke! For the P3D 5 or 10mm, if possible, would be the way to go IMO.
vogz
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I agree. 10mm would be absolutely idea IMO, but I'm very happy with the 5mm spacers in the front.
I’m having some 5mm spacers made, so should then have the option if I decide not to shorten the hub lugs to fit the 15mm spacers, to fit the 5’s.
If there aren’t integrated studs on the spacer (like pictured), sure, it will work with the performance wheels. BUT, you are reducing your lug threads by 10mm, and for a car that generates as much torque as a P3D, that is a really bad and potentially dangerous combo. If you go through the trouble of pressing out the factory studs and replacing with longer ones (preferable at least 5-10mm longer than stock), then there should be no concerns with using those spacers.
This weekend I am going to toss 5mm spacers on like vogz posted about earlier. I think that is a happy medium. You are still reducing overall effective lug length, but I believe the open lug nits will still adequately engage.
that all said, a best practice if you ever track is to remove the spacers altogether. IMO.
This weekend I am going to toss 5mm spacers on like vogz posted about earlier. I think that is a happy medium. You are still reducing overall effective lug length, but I believe the open lug nits will still adequately engage.
that all said, a best practice if you ever track is to remove the spacers altogether. IMO.
Just had 15mm/20mm spacers installed on my 2019 P3D+ with stock wheels.
Spacers were from EVS (bought from a member here) and installed yesterday @ SpeedElement in San Jose. Sounds like the issue was that the front wheels were not able to clear the spacer due to the backing, so they grabbed moved the rear wheels to the front in order for it to fit. Because of this - I can no longer rotate the wheels despite being square.
Spacers were from EVS (bought from a member here) and installed yesterday @ SpeedElement in San Jose. Sounds like the issue was that the front wheels were not able to clear the spacer due to the backing, so they grabbed moved the rear wheels to the front in order for it to fit. Because of this - I can no longer rotate the wheels despite being square.
So what you are saying are that the stock 20" wheels are somehow different front to rear? They aren't, but perhaps the tolerances are such that it just worked out in your case??
Ok, some updates. I finally installed my 5mm front spacers (link to purchase the cheapies from vogz earlier in the thread). They appear to work just fine. The fit on the hub and end up centering because of the lugs, even though it is a 70.5 hub cutout (OEM is 70.1mm). They definitely look better. I would absolutely NOT use a 10mm flat spacer - there won’t be enough thread for the lug nuts to really secure IMO. Here is a before and also a few pics of the spacers. Next post will have afters.
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