Again, none of this is Tesla specific. The sliding doors and automatic liftgate on my Honda Odyssey function exactly the same way, the chance of injury to a small child or inattentive adult is the same, and responsibility/blame falls on the person controlling the vehicle in the same way. Some may argue that the design of the Tesla keyfob makes it more prone to accidental activation but I disagree. Just think of how often someone butt-presses or purse-presses the panic button on their (non-Tesla) car keyfob.
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I'm trying to understand why someone would go out of their way to create a TMC account and write extensively about this random occurrence.
Bret Easton Ellis is spot-on in his observation of today's "victim narrative" and "generation wuss."
The "victim" is a label that so many people aspire to today.
Yawn.
Bret Easton Ellis is spot-on in his observation of today's "victim narrative" and "generation wuss."
The "victim" is a label that so many people aspire to today.
Yawn.
In recent firmware, Tesla gave you an option to disable the single fob click close in the settings menu - if you don't use that regularly, you might want to disable it since it seems to be causing you grief.
A Tesla showroom is not a good example of a real-life scenario. In a Tesla showroom you have multiple groups of people prodding the vehicle, none of them in communication with each other.
In the real world, it's generally 1 or 2 people in control of the vehicle and they're generally in sync with each other. It is much easier to prevent such accidents when it's just 1 (or 2) people in control, since they can be as careful or reckless as they feel necessary.
Yep. The same thing has happened to both me and my wife. The key fob closing while in our pocket or purse. I never had this problem in my Model S that I had for 3+ years. Only with the X. Also, it's annoying that you can't set it for auto height so it fully opens. It barely opens even when I have enough room in my garage so you have to constantly manually push it up. I wish they would fix that.
OzSimon
Member
I thought I read in the manual you can adjust the opening height yourself.?
Am I missing something? You should have an option to open fully on the center screen, which is geocoded and persistent, so you should only have to choose it once.
DrivingTheFuture
Member
This happened to me today! I really miss being able to put a key fob iny pocket. I think the double press should be for lock, and one press unlock. That way if it's pressed accidentally and doors are open, it would simply flash the lights. I almost shut my wife's friend in the falcon door, have been shut in the tailgate twice, and had foot slammed in front door all because of the key fob issue. I know it can be mitigated a bit probably by turning off the "close all doors" with key fob lock function, but I would miss the convenience.
DrivingTheFuture
Member
I have looked for this option to appear when opening in our garage cuz of same issue but can't seem to get it to pop up...
Colby Boles
Member
Same here. We have had a number of hits from with the rear tailgate as well as the FWDs due to the fob getting pushed in my pocket. I had to turn off this functionality completely, which now gives me no option to close the doors remotely with the fob. Why they would make a completely exposed fob button that closes all doors with a single press is a mystery to me. Just make this a triple-click and it would work perfectly and almost never false trigger. This is not something you ever want to do by accident.
It only pops up once you completely override the falcon wing door "indoor mode" and get them in a fully open position. Only then will you see the option to "open fully in this location."
Canuck
Well-Known Member
Sorry to hear of your accident. I hope you get better soon.
"No fault", or ACC, is fine until you're severely injured through the negligence of another, and through no fault of your own, only to find out that you do not get nearly as much in NZ as you do in Canada, and you have to live your life as paraplegic, or worse a quadriplegic. No amount of money can make up for that but the amount you get in NZ is insulting compared to Canada.
You're mixing apples and oranges. We also have government run health care in Canada, much the same as you have in NZ, but it has no relation to your "no fault" accident scheme. More importantly, it's not "FREE" in NZ or in Canada. We pay for it the same way you do. It's called taxes. However, in Canada when someone is injured through the negligence of another, the tortfeasor's insurance company has to pay the costs incurred by the government for health care services, and not the taxpayer. In BC, we call that legislation the Health Care Costs Recovery Act. I prefer that to having my taxes pay for it. Do you know it's the Insurance Institutes that often test vehicle safety, make recommendations for safer products, etc.? No need for that with the NZ system. Insurers are off the hook.
I love NZ. My wife is from there, we met in Greece nearly 30 years ago and she moved to Canada to be with me but we've spent many holidays there. It's never lost on me when visiting how so many things in NZ are just accidents waiting to happen because no one can sue. What got me the most was how narrow the sidewalks are on busy roads, like in Orewa where my brother-in-law had an apartment on the beach. I remember when my kids were small herding them away from the road side of the sidewalk as cars zoomed by within a few feet. On busy roads like that in Canada we have an extra space beside the sidewalk that acts as a buffer zone. I shook my head at how that narrow sidewalk was allowed (you can't sue the City, shame), as we went to the playground that had dangerous tires on steel posts that swung around while little kinds with soft skulls played nearby. And the list goes on and on.
I'll take the lawsuits any day. There's a lot to be said for accountability and responsibility.
"No fault", or ACC, is fine until you're severely injured through the negligence of another, and through no fault of your own, only to find out that you do not get nearly as much in NZ as you do in Canada, and you have to live your life as paraplegic, or worse a quadriplegic. No amount of money can make up for that but the amount you get in NZ is insulting compared to Canada.
You're mixing apples and oranges. We also have government run health care in Canada, much the same as you have in NZ, but it has no relation to your "no fault" accident scheme. More importantly, it's not "FREE" in NZ or in Canada. We pay for it the same way you do. It's called taxes. However, in Canada when someone is injured through the negligence of another, the tortfeasor's insurance company has to pay the costs incurred by the government for health care services, and not the taxpayer. In BC, we call that legislation the Health Care Costs Recovery Act. I prefer that to having my taxes pay for it. Do you know it's the Insurance Institutes that often test vehicle safety, make recommendations for safer products, etc.? No need for that with the NZ system. Insurers are off the hook.
I love NZ. My wife is from there, we met in Greece nearly 30 years ago and she moved to Canada to be with me but we've spent many holidays there. It's never lost on me when visiting how so many things in NZ are just accidents waiting to happen because no one can sue. What got me the most was how narrow the sidewalks are on busy roads, like in Orewa where my brother-in-law had an apartment on the beach. I remember when my kids were small herding them away from the road side of the sidewalk as cars zoomed by within a few feet. On busy roads like that in Canada we have an extra space beside the sidewalk that acts as a buffer zone. I shook my head at how that narrow sidewalk was allowed (you can't sue the City, shame), as we went to the playground that had dangerous tires on steel posts that swung around while little kinds with soft skulls played nearby. And the list goes on and on.
I'll take the lawsuits any day. There's a lot to be said for accountability and responsibility.
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reynirb
Member
Have to agree. My Infiniti FX has a power lift gate and it comes down at a good speed. It reverses, but I'm pretty shure it conking me on the head would be pretty unpleasant.
The main difference is it beeps continuously until open or closed, so it gives you a more continuous heads up.
reynirb
Member
Have to agree there. Everyone entering and leaving a car is fully capable of slamming the doors on someone when not looking, whether adult, kids, pet or whatever.
Sure that happens about 1000x a day around the country.
DrivingTheFuture
Member
But will this option appear for the trunk lift gate as well? Or does it automatically affect all doors? Thanks
I think you have to use the FWD to get it to set, but I think it applies to the hatch as well.
There's a manual procedure for setting how high you want the S hatch to go (move it where you want it, hold the hatch close button until it beeps, if I remember right,) but I'm not sure it applies to the X, which can actually see obstructions overhead.
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Thank you all for your very interesting and varied responses. I agree that car doors are inherently dangerous - no one will dispute that.
But the question is - are Tesla Model X doors causing vastly more accidents than a normal car door?
That is the question and if they are, what are Tesla doing about it?
I would like to say I contacted Tesla privately in August and gave them 3 months to respond, which they did not. A simple sorry - we smashed your head and we are looking at the problem - would have been plenty. But I suppose that would admit some sense of liability
in the USA.
No Tesla stores in NZ so no Model X's here to come and attack me!
Thank you all for your very interesting and varied responses. I agree that car doors are inherently dangerous - no one will dispute that.
But the question is - are Tesla Model X doors causing vastly more accidents than a normal car door?
That is the question and if they are, what are Tesla doing about it?
I would like to say I contacted Tesla privately in August and gave them 3 months to respond, which they did not. A simple sorry - we smashed your head and we are looking at the problem - would have been plenty. But I suppose that would admit some sense of liability
in the USA.
No Tesla stores in NZ so no Model X's here to come and attack me!
Canuck
Well-Known Member
That's a bit of a shot at our American friends but for your information, most jurisdictions have something similar to the Apology Act we have in BC that does not allow an apology to be used in Court as an admission of liability so I doubt that's the reason. Even without legislation, the facts and law determine liability and not saying "sorry".
What I don't get is why you need a "sorry" to feel better? It's an automatic door and accidents happen. Tesla designed a vehicle that is far safer than most vehicles on the road. Unfortunately, you got hurt but an apology won't speed up the healing of your injuries. But if it's any consolation, I'll again say "Sorry" and "I hope you get better soon."
hill
high fiber member
our Lexus tailgate beeps about 1 second prior to dropping. Beep, it means to either duck, put hands up, or "get out of the way, or else"
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