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Apart from the front facing camera, does this really matter?i

Tesla said we would get FSD, and that's all I need. A better computer? Haha, if it is required for FSD then Tesla can replace it.
Both of those things are everybody's guess. Would not be the first time Tesla left existing owners high and dry, but I'll wait for some official news first I guess.

Also I am a bit surprised by lack of boasting about better AP in Model3, but on the other hand they probably needed to keep mum about it not to kill current S/X sales.
 
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This has happened 5 or 6 times in 6 months?

Also, how is it different from end of year model year discounts in the traditional dealership setup?

2-3 Price decreases.
Lower trims available (5 seat, coil, etc)
1 second faster 0-60 time
Pushing up my delivery up by 3 weeks causing me to miss AP2
Later VINs generally have less fit and finish issues

I guess this is mostly what I meant.


End of the year discounts level the playing field. I picked up a new 2017 Nissan Leaf for net $22,000 ($14,500 after federal rebate). I knew 2018 gets a refresh and I got 13k additional on rebates because of it. I'm ok with that and knew what I was getting.
 
2-3 Price decreases.
Lower trims available (5 seat, coil, etc)
1 second faster 0-60 time
Pushing up my delivery up by 3 weeks causing me to miss AP2
Later VINs generally have less fit and finish issues

I guess this is mostly what I meant.


End of the year discounts level the playing field. I picked up a new 2017 Nissan Leaf for net $22,000 ($14,500 after federal rebate). I knew 2018 gets a refresh and I got 13k additional on rebates because of it. I'm ok with that and knew what I was getting.
So it sounds like we agree that at the end of the day, it's the same thing. You (and others) just prefer being able to more easily manage expectations. That's not unreasonable. But it is unreasonable to suggest that somehow Tesla is making a vehicle depreciate more rapidly due to their release schedule.

I don't want to put words in your mouth, so please correct me where I'm wrong.
 
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Thought about it all day and couldn't resist...full load new inventory P100DLX for 25000 discount - build date was mid June and 800 miles...after the price drop and the further reductions on the cost of borrowing, I couldn't resist. And, the car should only take a week to get here (in state). Thanks for the great news Tesla!!!

If you find a spec you like then inventory cars are a great option.

The one I've reserved is, for me, the best spec they did - 7 seat, perforated, cteamy tan, 22" black wheels, titanium, shiny seat backs.

It just looks so classy!
 
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I took delivery of a new custom configuration X 100D 10 days ago. I am not at all upset that I just missed out on the price drop. As a TSLA investor, I applaud Tesla for reducing prices as they achieve greater manufacturing efficiencies. I am sure they are still maintaining their margins
You don't feel at all salty that 'early adopters' get little to no love?
Even people that pay for upgrading software locked battery look now and it's cheaper to do it later..
As a TSLA investor do you not think they are hurting the brand by teaching people to wait as long as possible?
AP1 AP2 now AP2.5, which I guess you missed out on as well?
I have not heard the phrase "at all salty" before, but assume it is roughly equivalent to "pissed off".

Nor do I understand your reference to "early adopters" in this context. The X has been in production for over 1 1/2 years. But I will try to answer your questions:

I bought a Model S in late 2013 and owned it for 3 1/2 years before trading it in last month for an X. My S ownership experience was very positive and the car was fantastic: my wife and I drove it 62K miles all over the Western USA, including trips to Montana and Utah. We bought an X because next year we will be buying a camper trailer and we will need a tow vehicle. If you want to call me a Model S "early adopter" I'm okay with that, and I feel I got a lot of "love" from Tesla: I got to drive a fantastic and revolutionary car for years! It didn't have Auto Pilot or some of the fancy features that Tesla now offers, but it was an incredibly enjoyable driving experience. If I had waited until now to buy a Tesla I would have missed out on 3 1/2 years of driving pleasure.

As a TSLA investor I have no concerns that Tesla is constantly changing and improving their cars. That's a good thing! It stimulates demand and promotes EVs in general by showing that they are fundamentally better cars than ICEs and they the a constantly getting even better. Compare a new ICE car today to the same Model ICE four years ago: the differences are trivial.

Constant improvements do not "teach people to wait as long as possible" before ordering a new Tesla. I find that position to be fundamentally flawed. By that reasoning, companies should not improve their products because it will hurt sales. Which is obviously not true. Tesla sales volume has been on a steady long term growth path. The Q2 2017 earning report stated that sales grew 53% compared to Q2 2016 "in a flat luxury vehicle market". As a shareholder I'm pretty happy with that growth. Tesla is taking market share from its ICE competitors.

So clearly people who are considering buying a Tesla are not "waiting", they are buying. The other auto companies introduce changes primarily on a fixed timetable. In fact that hurts them because their customers tend to wait for the "new model" (which rarely is new in any significant way) introductions and the dealers are often forced to discount the "old model" to sell them before the new models arrive.

Tesla does not have to deal with that problem. Tesla's policy of unannounced constant improvements is a superior approach because it stimulates demand for Teslas and demonstrates that Tesla is a dynamic, innovative company.

As for "AP 2.5" (your term) there is no such thing. AP 2.0 hardware (which Tesla calls EAP or Enhanced Auto Pilot) was introduced last year. I did not "miss" it.
 
Think in extremes.

If they drop the price $20k for the same car (better with new features) my depreciation starts from new lower price. Not what I paid.

Also true the other way. Resale might slightly steady when fed tax credit expires.
Your "extreme" example does not correspond to reality. Tesla recently decreased the S/X price by about $3K.

As I interpret your posts in this thread, it appears that your complaint about Tesla constantly improving their cars, incorporating formerly optional features into the base model, and lowering the price, is because it results in greater depreciation for Teslas compared to ICE cars where changes are made on an annual basis.

I see no evidence to support your position. Example: The Model S85 with 62K miles that I just traded in to Tesla when I bought an X is being sold by Tesla as a used car for $47K. When new in December 2013 it cost about $90K (recalling from memory, that was not the exact price). So it depreciated about 48%. That's pretty typical for a luxury car in that price range with that kind of mileage on them. This is despite the fact that my S85 had no Auto Pilot, no Dual Motor, none of the numerous improvements Tesla has made to the S over the past 3 1/2 years.

There have been many discussions on TMC over the years about Tesla depreciation compared to other cars and they all support the fact that Tesla depreciation rates are on average fundamentally no different from other cars.
 
Nor do I understand your reference to "early adopters" in this context. The X has been in production for over 1 1/2 years.

Buying a car in it's roughly first year of production is not early adopting? Then the model X must have a short life span in your eyes.


As for "AP 2.5" (your term) there is no such thing. AP 2.0 hardware (which Tesla calls EAP or Enhanced Auto Pilot) was introduced last year. I did not "miss" it.

Not my term, but would you rather call another camera and more computing power AP3.0?


Bottom line.. I am waiting. I have AP1, and want FSD. Will wait till it's out. Before I was waiting till model 3 release (which served well with AP2.5 release or whatever you want to call it). Now I might as well wait till there's a product on the road to upgrade.

If I didn't like/enjoy Tesla I would never spend as much of my time on here. I am very intrigued with the car and company. I personally would do some things different, but am willing to take the whole package.
 
Your "extreme" example does not correspond to reality. Tesla recently decreased the S/X price by about $3K.

As I interpret your posts in this thread, it appears that your complaint about Tesla constantly improving their cars, incorporating formerly optional features into the base model, and lowering the price, is because it results in greater depreciation for Teslas compared to ICE cars where changes are made on an annual basis.

I see no evidence to support your position. Example: The Model S85 with 62K miles that I just traded in to Tesla when I bought an X is being sold by Tesla as a used car for $47K. When new in December 2013 it cost about $90K (recalling from memory, that was not the exact price). So it depreciated about 48%. That's pretty typical for a luxury car in that price range with that kind of mileage on them. This is despite the fact that my S85 had no Auto Pilot, no Dual Motor, none of the numerous improvements Tesla has made to the S over the past 3 1/2 years.

There have been many discussions on TMC over the years about Tesla depreciation compared to other cars and they all support the fact that Tesla depreciation rates are on average fundamentally no different from other cars.

I'm not comparing to other cars. I said my deprecation is more now because of their decision. How is that not true?

I said extremes... meaning not what happened just so we can understand a point I was trying to make.
 
So it sounds like we agree that at the end of the day, it's the same thing. You (and others) just prefer being able to more easily manage expectations. That's not unreasonable. But it is unreasonable to suggest that somehow Tesla is making a vehicle depreciate more rapidly due to their release schedule.

I don't want to put words in your mouth, so please correct me where I'm wrong.

Exactly. I come from primarily leasing cars for multiplied reasons. One of which is set expectations.

tesla made it almost impossible for me to lease in my state.
Is it impossible to lease a Tesla in Georgia?

So I am left with a new situation I am honestly not used to.
 
You don't feel at all salty that 'early adopters' get little to no love?

Even people that pay for upgrading software locked battery look now and it's cheaper to do it later..

As a TSLA investor do you not think they are hurting the brand by teaching people to wait as long as possible?

AP1 AP2 now AP2.5, which I guess you missed out on as well?


@imherkimer i asked three questions in my post, and one statement. What is it you exactly disagree or dislike? How I phrased a question? My grammar? Please tell me.. I have to know.
 
I think it was 82.5k, now 79.5k. I was all set on ordering 100, but haven't second thoughts, that all. I still may get 100, but they keep changing things on a bi-weekly basis and it's hard to keep up.

@ecarfan this is a recent Xpost from another thread. I can not be the only one that decides to wait with a constantly changing line up (even if it always improving).
 
I ordered My Model X 75D back in June, still hasn't gone into production but I checked my specs on the My Tesla website and noticed the same price drop (marked as showroom discount). Confirming with delivery specialist if this is true.
Recieved confirmation today from my tesla delivery agent : "The Showroom discounts are updated to reflect the new pricing on our website. Strengthening Canadian dollar and company wide lowering of the price!"
 
So here is my deal.
I was looking to order Model X 75D with premium package and autopilot, sub zero weather and 1.5 weeks ago I went to test drive model x in Chicago. Instead of custom build, I opted to go for New Inventory model that fitted my needs. So I reserved it with 2500 down and scheduled my delivery for upcoming Wednesday. Cost with showroom discount last week was 95K after 10K showroom discount. I still have not taken delivery but today I read somewhere about price change so decided to look at my order specs and I now see a hefty 40K showroom discount under my order. I have read about prices being updated automatically with discounts but I did not expect that big of change but I will gladly take it.

Model X 75D
Including $7,500.00 Federal Tax Credit All-Wheel Drive

EXTERIOR

Pearl White Multi-Coat Paint 20" Silver Wheels

INTERIOR

Black
Carbon Fiber Upgrade Front Console
Black Alcantara Headliner Six Seat Interior

CHARGING

Free Supercharging

OPTIONS

Enhanced Autopilot Premium Upgrades Package Smart Air Suspension

Documentation Fee Destination Fee Referral
Showroom Discount

Price was 95K after 10K showroom discount but now that discount has changed to 40K bringing the cost to new 63K before tax credit.
 
So here is my deal.
I was looking to order Model X 75D with premium package and autopilot, sub zero weather and 1.5 weeks ago I went to test drive model x in Chicago. Instead of custom build, I opted to go for New Inventory model that fitted my needs. So I reserved it with 2500 down and scheduled my delivery for upcoming Wednesday. Cost with showroom discount last week was 95K after 10K showroom discount. I still have not taken delivery but today I read somewhere about price change so decided to look at my order specs and I now see a hefty 40K showroom discount under my order. I have read about prices being updated automatically with discounts but I did not expect that big of change but I will gladly take it.

Model X 75D
Including $7,500.00 Federal Tax Credit All-Wheel Drive

EXTERIOR

Pearl White Multi-Coat Paint 20" Silver Wheels

INTERIOR

Black
Carbon Fiber Upgrade Front Console
Black Alcantara Headliner Six Seat Interior

CHARGING

Free Supercharging

OPTIONS

Enhanced Autopilot Premium Upgrades Package Smart Air Suspension

Documentation Fee Destination Fee Referral
Showroom Discount

Price was 95K after 10K showroom discount but now that discount has changed to 40K bringing the cost to new 63K before tax credit.

I'm sorry I do not believe that, and/or there is more to the story. Then $7500 so $55,500?
 
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