From someone that has never seen or sat in the Mach E, the cheap plastic comments are just cheap shots.
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For someone that has owned a $40k Focus and it’s sibling (RS/ST) and someone who loves Ford.... my comments are not “cheap shots” carry on...
Reeler
Decade of Pure EV Driving
Let's see how many cancel as the VW ID.4 hits showrooms about the same time at a much lower price. 2022 VW ID.4 Electric SUV Spied Trying To Look Like An Opel
Reeler
Decade of Pure EV Driving
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/volkswagen-electric-car-pricing-msrp-id3-id4/ Basically, same cost as an ICE version so speculation is $25-40K plus full Federal rebate of $7500. Having things like rear wiper, Android Auto, heat pump, heated steering wheel, and generally more conventional will cause many cancellations. Plus, conventional dealers, body repair, vast dealer network, etc.
German mark has been gone for years, it's the Euro. Regardless, many large companies don't really price based on exchange rate as they are multinationals. They manufacture and sell products all over the globe into and out of different currencies so the exchange rates tend to balance out. I worked for a very large currency and this was how we and all of out peers operated.
Tesla's advantage is in it's efficiency, proven ability to upgrade existing vehicles wirelessly, and existing charging network. Other manufactures have to prove they have same efficiency/range and ability to support the fleet.
Tesla's advantage is in it's efficiency, proven ability to upgrade existing vehicles wirelessly, and existing charging network. Other manufactures have to prove they have same efficiency/range and ability to support the fleet.
Tesla advantage is in its efficiency---meaning what? Proven ability to upgrade wirelessly--all auto companies are moving in this direction and what is do difficult about this software--Supercharger network in the USA yes but in Germany (site of new proposed Tesla factory) no, as it trails other forms by a large margin via: Germany: number of electric vehicle charging stations 2019 | Statista
Efficiency means range per size of battery. Sure, a manufacturer can put in a bigger battery for more range but that adds cost. I hope you are right that auto manufacturers will move to provide field upgrades wirelessly...so far only Tesla has been willing to do this. Ford says they will but we won't know for quite some time nor the extent of the upgrade/change.
Actually, the extended range battery of the Mach E exceeds the Model 3 in the real world conditions. The Ford PR photos are indicating such information..
M3BlueGeorgia
Active Member
Also, the lower price variants will have small batteries and may not have fast DC charging.
VW are very good a kicking up marketing buzz, but not remotely as good at delivering a competitive BEV.
VW are very good a kicking up marketing buzz, but not remotely as good at delivering a competitive BEV. ---Which BEV has VW delieved to the market in early 2019?
Gava71
Member
An EV is as good as its service/repair and its charging network. Tesla exceeds on one end and not great on the other. Ford, not sure about EV charging network (every other EV owner besides Tesla seems to have a hard time to charge somewhere besides home) and hopefully their dealer network and repair shops will treat their EV’s like any other Ford.
M3BlueGeorgia
Active Member
Rogue Synapse
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Yeah, but go ahead and try to buy this 125-mile compliance car in Wisconsin. This car is not a serious attempt at a competitive EV. Made with a limited range, in limited quantities, and only in certain states (the CARB emissions compact states):
California, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington
Totally agree with you. This is a compliance car and a mediocre one at that.
Rogue Synapse
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I should know. I drove a compliance car for 5 years (Mercedes B-Class Electric Drive). Had to have it shipped to NC from a “blue state”. Nobody in the south wanted to service it. Got 80 miles range on a good day, forget about winter. Moved from that to the P85D and never looked back.
Long time lurker. I don't have Tesla yet but have at least driven one. My current ride is a leased Caddy XT4 which I give up at the latest Nov 2021. I've been holding out for a Y. I am intrigued by the Mach E! It looks really cool. However, there are still a few drawbacks that I can see.
1. You need an EV Ford dealer near you. I'm not really certain I will see one.
2. You have to deal with a dealer.....
3. Tesla has the Supercharger network. I do understand Ford is partnering up for stations but will you be able to charge as fast as a Tesla?
4. How far behind is Ford going to be with technology?
If any of the 3 Ford dealers near me certify for EV, I would certainly entertain one more seriously. Time will tell I guess but at the momtn, I'm leaning toward the Y.
1. You need an EV Ford dealer near you. I'm not really certain I will see one.
2. You have to deal with a dealer.....
3. Tesla has the Supercharger network. I do understand Ford is partnering up for stations but will you be able to charge as fast as a Tesla?
4. How far behind is Ford going to be with technology?
If any of the 3 Ford dealers near me certify for EV, I would certainly entertain one more seriously. Time will tell I guess but at the momtn, I'm leaning toward the Y.
