Tax credit is quite unlikely to come back. I haven't seen anyone else get it. I also haven't seen a situation where the owner got anything other than a $1/mile chargeback on mileage.
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This does not surprise me, especially since you and only you can claim it, even if you give the car back to them. They can't get that back no matter what.
Go back further in my history. I'm a huge Tesla fan. I love my Model X, and I'm angry about the problems, but Tesla promised a number of things and then in their final phone call (they would not email), they reneged on their promises. I had been asked by Tesla to take down my videos and complaints on this website around the time we started getting serious in our discussions. Ask the mods; I requested to have my posts taken down as a show of good faith with Tesla.I don't disagree with jeffro01; however, I do have compassion for Debaser because of the issues. I looked at his history too and saw that it was mostly complaints. I find it curious that Tesla doesn't just resolve the situation and send him on his merry way... unless Tesla's customer service is poor (which is contrary to what I know), his demands are unreasonable, and/or there's something else we're not hearing.
It's a purchase. Tesla has no idea how much tax credit I will get from the government, and it is none of their business. That is a benefit the government provides me, not Tesla.I was thinking about this as a purchase, but if it's a lease you are right.
It's a purchase. Tesla has no idea how much tax credit I will get from the government, and it is none of their business. That is a benefit the government provides me, not Tesla.
Check the code. Tax credits are based on income. If you have $0 taxable income, you get $0 tax credit. Ergo, Tesla has no idea how much credit I will receive.No idea? Really? It's pretty clearly specified in the tax code. And it's money you get to keep, regardless.
Tax liability is based on taxable income, which is what I wrote. Pedantry is like a second language to me.Well, let's be pedantic for a moment, because it's what I do. It's not based on income. The credit is used to reduce your tax liability. Yes, income certainly affects your liability, but it is an important distinction.
In the end you are certainly correct: if your tax liability for the year is < 7500 you will not be able to take advantage of the full credit, and no Tesla has no insight into that, I agree (now that I get your point )
Tax liability is based on taxable income, which is what I wrote. Pedantry is like a second language to me.
I don't think Tesla's calculation includes the $7500 that you may or may not receive. What they are doing is incorporating the fact that they have to sell it without that $7500 credit price bump when it becomes a CPO.It's a purchase. Tesla has no idea how much tax credit I will get from the government, and it is none of their business. That is a benefit the government provides me, not Tesla.
I'm thankful every single day that I leased my Model X instead of buying it. Can't imagine what a depreciated mess I would have been left with, with my many visits to the service center documented for any future buyer.
No doubt. I understand their desire to discount my replacement vehicle by $7500, but I'm definitely not agreeing to it. By the way, I think they may have dropped that from their most recent offer, so maybe this site is watched by someone there. Or maybe not; who am I, Narcissus?I don't think Tesla's calculation includes the $7500 that you may or may not receive. What they are doing is incorporating the fact that they have to sell it without that $7500 credit price bump when it becomes a CPO.
Whether or not that's fair to you or to others doing a buyback is not part of my comment. I'm just pointing out that they're not reconciling your financial situation with respect to the credit, they're reconciling theirs.
I don't think OP is trying to get something more from Tesla by posting rants here but warning other buyers that early built X might have problems like he is having.
Consumer protection laws generally exist to un-wind a transaction, not force the company to offer you a replacement. It sounds like you are annoyed that they won't let you buy another Model X with unlimited supercharging, and a buy-back guarantee. So what you actually want is a car to be fixed and free of problems, not to be free of a Tesla? In that case, you have to let them fix the car. Otherwise, it sounds completely correct that they offered you a financial un-wind (minus mileage). Yep, sucks that you can't go re-buy the same Tesla, but I doubt the law covers that. I notice you're not complaining about getting an AP2 car, bigger battery, and other upgrades Tesla has introduced since then.
Trying to argue a way to keep the $7,500 while getting Tesla to give you back all the money you spent with them doesn't help your case to sound reasonable. It sounds like you're trying to make $7,500 off the process, which damages the perception that all you want is to be made whole.
I get it- you're frustrated, mad, angry, and feel like the $7,500 is a way to help be compensated for all this mess, but we all know trying to get Tesla to ignore it is the same as Tesla paying you $7,500 for your troubles, and that's not really reasonable to expect.
If you really don't have $7,500 in tax liability for the year, then show Tesla your tax returns and tell them to offset that. However, as we all know, 99% of people that can afford a $100K+ car have $7,500, and will get that back (or already have!), so that really was part of the financial situation, and trying to pretend that the $7,500 was just an agreement between you and the Federal government doesn't really pass the reasonable attitude sniff test.
When I wrote that, Tesla had spent weeks ignoring my emails and phone calls. As soon as I posted that and started putting out videos, A representative started getting back in contact with me. I was never trying to get something I did not deserve, but I was trying to avoid a lawsuit by getting them to respond to my emails and calls.Except the OP has posted before, IIRC, that he intends to drop these kinds of threads every few months or so until Tesla does what he wants them to do... So... Yeah...
Jeff
When I wrote that, Tesla had spent weeks ignoring my emails and phone calls. As soon as I posted that and started putting out videos, A representative started getting back in contact with me. I was never trying to get something I did not deserve, but I was trying to avoid a lawsuit by getting them to respond to my emails and calls.
Jeff, great advice. Just stop.So why are you still doing it? Answer, because they're not giving you what you want so you figured it worked the first time...
Just stop. Seriously... Just stop...
Jeff