MY 2024 Refresh - Project Juniper?

[positiv]

No. People need to stop thinking LFP is the answer to everything. LFP is terrible for energy density. Its only benefits are low cost and no cobalt.

The main benefit of LFP is a long cycle life, twice as long as NMC if not more.

 

[holmgang]

The main benefit of LFP is a long cycle life, twice as long as NMC if not more.

To add some context, if we assume 1000 full cycles reduces NCA to 80% capacity, 2000 for NMC, 4000 for LFP, and 5.3km/kwh (400 actual km over 75kwh)....

1000 NCA cycles * 75kwh * 5.3km = 400,000km

Way beyond required useful envelope

 

[Midpack]

The main benefit of LFP is a long cycle life, twice as long as NMC if not more.

And you’re encouraged to charge them to 100% at least weekly, unlike NCM/NCA.

 

[mborkow]

And you’re encouraged to charge them to 100% at least weekly, unlike NCM/NCA.

That’s because the BMS can’t get a read on the state of the pack without being charged (or discharged) fully…it’s not actually a positive, IMO.

 

[Tiger]

Nice contender:

 

[Philzer]

So, I'm circling back to the first couple of comments in this discussion, will Juniper launch in the U.S. sometime this year in spite of being told it won't. I'm just an observer hoping to make the Juniper my first EV purchase, but I find it strange Tesla will only sell from available stock now, no custom orders taken for the past couple of weeks. Might that mean they are clearing inventory to make room for Juniper or am I reading too much into that?

 

[E90alex]

Custom orders are still open. Juniper is not coming this year. There is no reason to expect it will and there have been no leaks of even test mules yet.

 

[azuled]

It's not like the Highland stuff, that was well leaked and very obvious what they were working on. The MY is their best selling vehicle by a fair margin, they are going to spend a while refining everything before they consider messing with their volume leader.

 

[Philzer]

Custom orders are still open. Juniper is not coming this year. There is no reason to expect it will and there have been no leaks of even test mules yet.

Where in this screenshot I took at 12:00 noon CST today 3/1/2024 do you see the option of "custom order"?

 

[cusetownusa]

Where in this screenshot I took at 12:00 noon CST today 3/1/2024 do you see the option of "custom order"?

I just went on the tesla webpage and I am able to make a custom order.

 

[Philzer]

I just went on the tesla webpage and I am able to make a custom order.

You're right, that screenshot was from the first page, but I found custom order on the overview page.

 

[laiod]

So, I'm circling back to the first couple of comments in this discussion, will Juniper launch in the U.S. sometime this year in spite of being told it won't. I'm just an observer hoping to make the Juniper my first EV purchase, but I find it strange Tesla will only sell from available stock now, no custom orders taken for the past couple of weeks. Might that mean they are clearing inventory to make room for Juniper or am I reading too much into that?

If you can wait until 2025 or beyond for a new vehicle to get Juniper just do that. It's going to be awhile before it comes out if the statement from Tesla is to be believed.

 

[Buckminster]

If you can wait until 2025 or beyond for a new vehicle to get Juniper just do that. It's going to be awhile before it comes out if the statement from Tesla is to be believed.

I would normally be in the wait and get the newest version camp. However, FSD is the most important thing for me and Juniper may be behind for. a while like CT:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1763785884741124343

 

[E90alex]

I would normally be in the wait and get the newest version camp. However, FSD is the most important thing for me and Juniper may be behind for. a while like CT:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1763785884741124343

Highland has Autopilot and FSD working out of the factory. There’s no reason to think why Juniper won’t.

 

[Midpack]

I’m just glad I quit waiting for a Juniper. The projections just keep moving further and further out, like many Tesla announcements.

 

[Webeevdrivers]

Any rumours on additional range for juniper yet?

 

[mborkow]

Any rumours on additional range for juniper yet?

Highland’s additional range for the LR trim is pretty negligible (333 vs 341) and 0 for RWD so I don’t think I’d have much higher hopes for Juniper, right?

 

[Midpack]

Any rumours on additional range for juniper yet?

There are always endless rumors...why bother? Tesla has very deliberately optimized the range for their cars balancing range exceptions vs price for the largest part of the market. The group of people who want to pay more for range is small by their calculations - and they'd know better than amateurs with anecdotes here.

 

[Sunshine Speed]

Highland’s additional range for the LR trim is pretty negligible (333 vs 341) and 0 for RWD so I don’t think I’d have much higher hopes for Juniper, right?

Two points to make:
1) 2023 Model 3 range is computed with old EPA rules (not stringent). But 2024 Model Y Highland range is computed with new stringent EPA rules. Real-world driving tests from Youtubers are showing 10 percent higher range, more than the 8 miles improved in the EPA numbers.

2) Model 3 Highland has the same battery and powertrain as 2023 Model 3. But Model Y Juniper may have a different battery or powertrain, due to the extra year of development time compared to Highland 3. Maybe Juniper Y will have CATL M3P batteries that enable 400 mile EPA range.

 

[mborkow]

Maybe Juniper Y will have CATL M3P batteries that enable 400 mile EPA range.

Or maybe, in a cost savings move, Tesla will balance out the increased efficiency of the new bumper cover by using a smaller/cheaper battery pack…just as likely.