They want everyone to clog up superchargers at $0.28+/kWh instead of the $25 outlet at home, apparently.
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NEMA 14-50 adapter no longer included with vehicles
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They want everyone to clog up superchargers at $0.28+/kWh instead of the $25 outlet at home, apparently.
SabrToothSqrl
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This is why I only fill up with premium blend electrons through my favorite local generation station 
doghousePVD
My grandfather’s car
Tesla is certainly going to build cars with 72 or 80 amp charging capacity. How do you think the 200 kwh Roadster and Pickup will charge?
At 48A like my brand new Raven? Explain how my >$100k purchase does not have this ability and Tesla service is denying upgrades after sale?
No. A car with a 200kWh pack will charge fine with the existing 48A charger. It won't charge from 0-100% overnight at 48A, but that's completely unnecessary, unless you're driving the Roadster 600 miles every day (who knows what the Pickup range will be).
Yes, someone will undoubtedly bitch and moan if their brand new 200k car can't fully recharge at home overnight, but it's not necessary to do so.
You need a charger powerful enough to replenish your daily driving overnight. That doesn't mean you need to refill the battery overnight. They are separate issues. It's about miles of range added per hour of charging, not % of battery added.
My S adds 29 mi of range per hour on a 14-50 (40A charging) and will fully charge its 85kWh battery in ~9 hours. 29 mph*9hrs = 261 miles, regardless of battery size. If my battery capacity magically increased to 850 kWh, I'll still add 261 mi in 9 hours. It would take days to go from 0-100% and add 2,600 miles, but so what?
Buddy: Hey let's go to the dragstrip to test out your new roadster.
Me: Just plugged it in, see you there in 2 days.
davewill
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Well, I'm not bitching and moaning, but I do think that the on board charger needs to be capable of doing something at least CLOSE to a full recharge overnight. We know it's not a engineering challenge for Tesla to supply 72a or 80a charging, so I would expect they would at least do that. Even then, 80a would take 10+ hours and 72a would require 12 hours to fill 200kWh.
These last few comments are bringing up a very interesting question. I agree that it is about refilling the needed amount of miles. And for passenger cars, that's true that it's going to be very unlikely to need higher power charging. But for the bigger trucks, with towing and heavy loads, they burn lots of energy per mile. So their recharging rate in miles per hour is going to be noticeably slower, and they will need to recover more energy overnight than a car probably would. So I do still think that the pickup is probably going to have a higher power onboard charger in the area of 70-80 amps or so.
davewill
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The 80a wall connector's cable is so big and unwieldy (and expensive I would think), it would make a sense to make a 48a version at the $400 price point.
Never had a problem with it. Spending $140k for a car, worried about $500 for the wall charger? I also spent $2k to add the second charger.
Now limping along at 48A. Missed a fun opportunity last night because of it too. Is there enough time to get this thing to 100% SoC and battery at 50C for Ludicrous++? NO. Not a theoretical problem.
640kB ram is good enough for anyone.
NEMA 5-15 is more useful for say apartment dwellers than 14-50 will ever be.
What proportion of Tesla owners would you say live in an apartment?
You ought to be a little careful--you might scrape your nose on the ceiling.
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Sorry for supporting Tesla. In fact not sorry enough. Should have given the 140k and not even gotten a car in return.
Getting what you paid for is not the same as bragging, sorry. Just another reason to add to the wheel that could replace half the posters on TMC.
davewill
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I spent $31K (after incentives) and my car can't charge faster then 32a, and right now none of the new cars can go over 48a, no matter how much money is thrown at it. While a heavy cable may not be a problem to you, my wife would undoubtedly be cross if she had to wrestle it around. I still think a smaller wall charger would be a good product to have in the stable.
I'm sure just to make you happy, they could always raise the price of the big wall charger to a grand and give it a name like "Super Founder's Edition".
With the recent electric school buses, 80A charging is not limited to Tesla anymore.
I ordered a used car from them. Was told to purchase an adapter as the cars no longer come with them.
Had a new dedicated 240 outlet. Had a nice combo of things happen. ordered an adapter from tesla shop 15 days ago, no shipping confirmation. Then the car was picked up a few days later and it actually came with the adapter. So I tried to cancel order, no email or response. But the best thing is the UMC completely failed after a week. No LED lights or nothing no matter what outlet or adapter I use. So I'm forced to Supercharge.
The lack of an adapter is force you to buy their wall charger or pay for it. Either way a score for them. The 5-15 isn't conducive with everyday use.
Had a new dedicated 240 outlet. Had a nice combo of things happen. ordered an adapter from tesla shop 15 days ago, no shipping confirmation. Then the car was picked up a few days later and it actually came with the adapter. So I tried to cancel order, no email or response. But the best thing is the UMC completely failed after a week. No LED lights or nothing no matter what outlet or adapter I use. So I'm forced to Supercharge.
The lack of an adapter is force you to buy their wall charger or pay for it. Either way a score for them. The 5-15 isn't conducive with everyday use.
This is so cheap Tesla. They are going nickel and dime to make whatever extra money they can. I just spent $62000 on a new Tesla model 3 and I am appalled by them by not having the 14-50 adapter , HomeLink etc. I thought Tesla was a pioneer in customer convenience and innovation but this tactic of making money is so cheap. They should given these as an option while purchasing the car and I would have paid for them. Now the adapter is out of stock online. This is so much a hassle. I am now seriously repenting my decision of buying a Tesla by believing in Elon Musk. He just another greedy businessman. The Model 3 @$62000 is not a cheap car and we should have some of these features as standard.
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