Welcome to Tesla Motors Club
Discuss Tesla's Model S, Model 3, Model X, Model Y, Cybertruck, Roadster and More.
Register

new Nissan EV with range extender in development

Breezy

Member
Dec 15, 2013
451
119
SW Ontario
Very interesting. I had missed that. Thanks for posting.

(Before someone else says it, yes, it's a plug-in series hybrid. Outside of TMC we call them EVs with range extenders. :smile:)
 

stopcrazypp

Well-Known Member
Dec 8, 2007
10,515
5,459
Very interesting. I had missed that. Thanks for posting.

(Before someone else says it, yes, it's a plug-in series hybrid. Outside of TMC we call them EVs with range extenders. :smile:)
Unlike GM, Nissan does insist on using accurate terminology.
Here's what Yoshi Shimoida, Nissan’s deputy general manager for electric car engineering says in announcing this new system: "It’s something like that [range extender]. But we call it a series hybrid."
 

mknox

Well-Known Member
Aug 7, 2012
10,103
1,868
Toronto, ON
"EV with range extender" is accurate terminology; it's just not standard terminology.

I like "range extender". It's easy to understand for the layperson and accurately portrays an electrically powered car with a mechanism (ICE/generator) to extend it's range. I know people who couldn't tell you how a hybrid car works, let alone comprehend "series-hybrid".
 

green1

Active Member
Mar 25, 2014
4,548
1,123
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
I like "range extender". It's easy to understand for the layperson and accurately portrays an electrically powered car with a mechanism (ICE/generator) to extend it's range. I know people who couldn't tell you how a hybrid car works, let alone comprehend "series-hybrid".
Any time I talk to a lay person about an EV with a Range extender they always assume it has an "extra" battery. Not one of them has ever assume a range extender was a gas engine, when I point it out they ask "isn't that what a hybrid is?" which, amazingly enough, is correct!
I don't think you give lay people enough credit, they know what a hybrid is.
 

phigment

Member
Aug 31, 2015
655
1,049
Waterloo, Ontario
Any time I talk to a lay person about an EV with a Range extender they always assume it has an "extra" battery. Not one of them has ever assume a range extender was a gas engine, when I point it out they ask "isn't that what a hybrid is?" which, amazingly enough, is correct!
I don't think you give lay people enough credit, they know what a hybrid is.
The "Hybrid" can include many types of system. It could be a propane/gas hybrid.

Many of the electric/gas hybrids will be able to drive the wheels directly. A series hybrid will use the ICE to power the electrical drive unit. In this way you can focus on making the ICE efficient for electrical power generation.
 

mknox

Well-Known Member
Aug 7, 2012
10,103
1,868
Toronto, ON
Any time I talk to a lay person about an EV with a Range extender they always assume it has an "extra" battery.

That seems like an odd assumption to make, but maybe the parallel are those little battery pack boosters you can get to top up your cell phone. The response I typically get is "oh, you mean like the Volt".
 

wws

Member
Aug 11, 2014
982
1,014
Northern California
The "Hybrid" can include many types of system. It could be a propane/gas hybrid.

Many of the electric/gas hybrids will be able to drive the wheels directly. A series hybrid will use the ICE to power the electrical drive unit. In this way you can focus on making the ICE efficient for electrical power generation.

The first gen Volt had both a series and a parallel hybrid mode. The latter more efficient on the highway. The gen 2 Volt dispensed with series hybrid mode. When the ICE is running, there are three parallel hybrid configurations.

The article says Nissan will only be using a series hybrid configuration - ala the i3. It will be interesting to see what the mpg is. Also with the Leaf around, I doubt Nissan needs any ZEV credits. So I would guess they won't be exploiting the "gas range = electric range" loophole that the i3 exploits with its tiny gas tank.
 

JohnSnowNW

Active Member
Feb 13, 2015
2,644
2,769
Minnesota
Personally, I don't like the term "range extender" when that range extension is generally 3x-4x farther than the vehicle's AER, and the AER is less than the most limited BEV on the market.
 

green1

Active Member
Mar 25, 2014
4,548
1,123
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
That seems like an odd assumption to make, but maybe the parallel are those little battery pack boosters you can get to top up your cell phone. The response I typically get is "oh, you mean like the Volt".
Yes, exactly, they think "like the volt" only they don't realise that the volt isn't a pure EV after all, GM spent years advertising the volt as an EV even long before it was released, they've never bragged about it's ICE
 

About Us

Formed in 2006, Tesla Motors Club (TMC) was the first independent online Tesla community. Today it remains the largest and most dynamic community of Tesla enthusiasts. Learn more.

Do you value your experience at TMC? Consider becoming a Supporting Member of Tesla Motors Club. As a thank you for your contribution, you'll get nearly no ads in the Community and Groups sections. Additional perks are available depending on the level of contribution. Please visit the Account Upgrades page for more details.


SUPPORT TMC
Top