New wheels: P3D 20" vs 19" SSR GTX01 with 265's

[P3D-R]

Hello all. I just picked up my 2020 Model 3 Performance a few weeks back and upon seeing another company publish the 20" wheels at 32lbs each I knew I had to look into an alternative. I decided to go with the SSR GTX01 in 19x9.5 +35 5x114.3 from AutoRnD which is conveniently located across the street from the Tesla Factory in Fremont. If you have any questions regarding wheels they can be very helpful. I had a really hard time trying to find a Japanese made wheel that could accommodate the M14 studs we have. I've always taken a liking to Japanese manufactured wheels due to their technology and quality standards.

SSR publishes the wheels at 22.3 lbs each. Almost looking at a 10lb savings per wheel.

Now is where we lose all that weight savings by moving to a 265/35/19. Keep in mind all wheels are mounted and balanced as well and have TPMS sensors

Michelins with oem 20": 52.60 lbs ea
SSR GTX01 with Falken 510: 50.25 lbs ea
Net savings of 2.35lbs per corner



This surprised me because I was expecting a larger delta in the weights because the tire weights by the manufacturers are published as such:
PS4S (TO) @ 24lbs each 235/35/20: 52-24 = 28lbs, minus the weight of the tpms as well.
Falken 510 @28lbs each 265/35/20

I can't argue with the SSR/Falken combo because I weighed it all out beforehand but this leads me to believe the OEM 20" Performance wheels are closer to 27-28lbs per wheel.

Has anyone actually weighed a bare 20" performance wheel on the boards? I did try to search btw. I think it's important that the wheel weights are represented accurately by all third parties and is the reason I'm posing this question. I planned to sell my setup so am avoiding dismounting one of the tires just to weigh the wheel but this is bugging me.

I'll post up pics of the car once I get some decent weather and the car is washed.

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[P3D-R]

I forgot to add that even though the wheels didn't save a ton of weight the moment of inertia has changed so I'm still hoping for an improvement in acceleration, not to mention lateral grip. I can't wait to get some suspension on this thing. My buddy got a set of these before me with some MPP KW's and WOW his car feels so good. Redwood Motorsports is really close to me and I'm talking to them about the Ohlins DFV setup as an option, finances willing.

 

[WilliamG]

Model 3 Performance 20” factory wheels are about 28lbs per wheel.

The Tesla Model 3 Wheel and Tire Guide

 

[P3D-R]

Model 3 Performance 20” factory wheels are about 28lbs per wheel.

The Tesla Model 3 Wheel and Tire Guide

That definitely matches up with the #'s in interpolated. Thank you so much. I wish T-sportline would update this info on their site.

 

[P3D-R]

Well looks like it was updated by Tsportline. Thanks William.

 

[holmgang]

Well looks like it was updated by Tsportline. Thanks William.

hrm... so a little deceptive advertising to sell their aftermarket replacements? -_-

 

[P3D-R]

hrm... so a little deceptive advertising to sell their aftermarket replacements? -_-

My sentiments exactly. I'm quite positive they had published 32 lbs prior. I think it was updated very recently.

I am not a fan of the OE 20" being made in Mexico but if it's being produced by an Enkei Factory then I'm ok with it. I'll need to flip the wheels over and see if there's any markings on them.

 

[TSportline]

Our wheel guide was updated on January 6 to include '19" Tesla Model 3 Power Sports or 'Gemini' Wheel'.

 

[Xenoilphobe]

In fact I have weighed the Model 3 wheel in 20" weights 28.75 lbs - add TPMS and wheel weights and center cap weight (maybe another pound max). Also the tires are HEAVY...

22.3 lbs for a 19 X 9 @ $500 per wheel with 1 year warranty is steep for flow formed wheel with no lifetime warranty.

Did you ever check out a fully mono-block forged lifetime warrantied options like Titan 7's 19 X 9 @ 19 lbs or BCForged Mono-Block (3 year warranty) which are much lighter and only $150 more per wheel in 19's and the same price as the flow formed wheels in 18 X 8.5 Titan 7's @ 18 lbs?

Also there were some resources on the web that had the Model 3 20" wheels listed @ 32 lbs. I'll hit Archive.web and find out who it was, I wanna say it was an estimate by one of the "private label" wheel resellers like these guys, looks like they changed it "pending".

Also there is significant weight differences between tires as well. I just bought some for my son's Miata and it saved us 2 lbs per wheel verses the stock rubber.

 

[P3D-R]

Our wheel guide was updated on January 6 to include '19" Tesla Model 3 Power Sports or 'Gemini' Wheel'.

Sounds good. Thanks for updating. Your info matches up with my estimates much better now.

 

[P3D-R]

In fact I have weighed the Model 3 wheel in 20" weights 28.75 lbs - add TPMS and wheel weights and center cap weight (maybe another pound max). Also the tires are HEAVY...

22.3 lbs for a 19 X 9 @ $500 per wheel with 1 year warranty is steep for flow formed wheel with no lifetime warranty.

Did you ever check out a fully mono-block forged lifetime warrantied options like Titan 7's 19 X 9 @ 19 lbs or BCForged Mono-Block (3 year warranty) which are much lighter and only $150 more per wheel in 19's and the same price as the flow formed wheels in 18 X 8.5 Titan 7's @ 18 lbs?

Also there were some resources on the web that had the Model 3 20" wheels listed @ 32 lbs. I'll hit Archive.web and find out who it was, I wanna say it was an estimate by one of the "private label" wheel resellers like these guys, looks like they changed it "pending".

Also there is significant weight differences between tires as well. I just bought some for my son's Miata and it saved us 2 lbs per wheel verses the stock rubber.

Thanks for chiming in. I actually didn't pay $2000 for my wheels but we can get more into my history as time passes. Let's say it was a deal that nothing else in its class could compete with. I'm new here so I'm simply going to stick to hard data that I can collect in hopes it's helpful to some as well as a learning experience for myself. I haven't even been on a forum in 13-14 years. I selected SSR because I got a great deal and they are one of the few Japanese wheels which can accommodate a M14 stud unlike off the shelf Work, Advan, and even some Enkei wheels.

Titan 7 actually doesn't produce any flow formed wheels. So I'd like to set that record straight. They are all from 10k ton forged blanks that are CNC'd and have the barrels formed just like any other true forging. I'm very close with the principals at Titan. I really love those guys and their history in the forged wheel world is pretty deep.

Any company that uses the term forge with a wheel that has a cast center is honestly deceiving the public. The wheel manuf know this also but that's just the way commerce is evidently. This is a huge reason why people think "rotary forged" wheels are a value imo. On top of that, not all flow forming is the same. There are other treatments that can be performed to the wheel to improve it's structure even further. This is why Enkei refers to their version of flow forming as M.A.T., Most Advanced Technology. I'm sure this info has been published on the web or their website.

I'm sure I'll be changing wheels over time as I'm a self proclaimed wheel aficionado. I've been around aftermarket wheels since the early 90's and have relationships with the companies you've mentioned.

I was surprised that in a 265/35/19 there's not much weight difference between the PS4S @27lbs and the Falken 510 @28lbs. Maybe only a pound according to the rack. Tires that typically come in heavy is Bridgestone @31lbs. They probably have a stiffer sidewall though so it seems there's always a tradeoff somewhere. Back in the day when we used to run Toyo T1S they were amazingly lightweight. I do miss those tires.

I appreciate your input Xenoilphobe. I'm sure we'll be seeing each other around the boards more frequently as I start to build and review products for my car.

Thank you,
-R

 

[Xenoilphobe]

Thanks for chiming in. I actually didn't pay $2000 for my wheels but we can get more into my history as time passes. Let's say it was a deal that nothing else in its class could compete with. I'm new here so I'm simply going to stick to hard data that I can collect in hopes it's helpful to some as well as a learning experience for myself. I haven't even been on a forum in 13-14 years. I selected SSR because I got a great deal and they are one of the few Japanese wheels which can accommodate a M14 stud unlike off the shelf Work, Advan, and even some Enkei wheels.

Titan 7 actually doesn't produce any flow formed wheels. So I'd like to set that record straight. They are all from 10k ton forged blanks that are CNC'd and have the barrels formed just like any other true forging. I'm very close with the principals at Titan. I really love those guys and their history in the forged wheel world is pretty deep.

Any company that uses the term forge with a wheel that has a cast center is honestly deceiving the public. The wheel manuf know this also but that's just the way commerce is evidently. This is a huge reason why people think "rotary forged" wheels are a value imo. On top of that, not all flow forming is the same. There are other treatments that can be performed to the wheel to improve it's structure even further. This is why Enkei refers to their version of flow forming as M.A.T., Most Advanced Technology. I'm sure this info has been published on the web or their website.

I'm sure I'll be changing wheels over time as I'm a self proclaimed wheel aficionado. I've been around aftermarket wheels since the early 90's and have relationships with the companies you've mentioned.

I was surprised that in a 265/35/19 there's not much weight difference between the PS4S @27lbs and the Falken 510 @28lbs. Maybe only a pound according to the rack. Tires that typically come in heavy is Bridgestone @31lbs. They probably have a stiffer sidewall though so it seems there's always a tradeoff somewhere. Back in the day when we used to run Toyo T1S they were amazingly lightweight. I do miss those tires.

I appreciate your input Xenoilphobe. I'm sure we'll be seeing each other around the boards more frequently as I start to build and review products for my car.

Thank you,
-R

Damn, you do know your stuff!!!!. I'm glad to hear you didn't pay that much, I was really feeling sorry for you and was going to PM you about the return policy on both the wheels and tires. I know Titan7 doesn't make flow formed, maybe I wasn't clear, I was the guy that started the group buy for Titan7 for the first batch of Model 3's (back when I was going to buy one - then changed my mind), I keep waiting for them to make a 19" X 8 or 8.5 or 9 for my two Model S's, have deposits down (thru EvasiveMotorSports), but still waiting. I have worked directly with Mike C at Evasive and Eddie L at Titan, and you are right they have been decades long players in the space, and I believe their product is market disruptive. I had originally ordered Carbon Fiber Wheels with www.ESECarbon.com , I've had a deposit down for almost 4 years... still nothing from ESE... so I am definitely into wheel porn too (more on performance, less on pretty boy 22" that are useless). I also looked at www.CarbonRev.com and Aussy firm, (Jeff C), but they only wanna play with OEM, or large distro, so I abandoned dialog with them. I also checked out a UK company, called BX Elite® Auto Wheels - Faster: Stronger: Better (Chris S) and they actually did come to market with Carbon Barrel Hybrid with, forged faces for a two piece design, but then they sold their soul to a distro channel that marked them up like crazy.
Here is my redacted order with ESE from April 2016!!!! Still nothing. Still waiting ESE if you Fer's are watching. After that experience I am doing a lot more research, before I buy. Took me months to settle on the Titan's for a group buy, I didn't want anyone pissed with the end product and they haven't been, going from 20's to 18 mono block forged has seen range gains and performance gains in all aspects of cornering, braking and watts per mile. Also they are tough, couple guys have hit massive pots holes destroying the sidewall, but the forged wheel survived (unlike my bent 21's stockers and my bent 19" stockers)...

Where you will see the most gain is on the track, with the right tire/wheel combination.

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[P3D-R]

I've known Mike and Tony at EVS for a long time. We have a commonality with the Cyber EVO that campaigned Voltex and AME TM02 at WTA in AUS back in 2010-2011, AND WON!!!!. Tarzan Yamada is such a beast. Needless to say we have done work together for some time. I've known Eddie since the late 90's when he first started with Mackin and climbed that ladder to his ultimate goal with Titan 7. I'm so proud of what they're accomplishing. I have been told they are working on a Model S wheel but uncertain what the time frame is. I didn't bother asking. You want me to text them all? LOL!!! I'll do that for you. I'll wake them up out of bed and beg them for an answer. I actually have another friend who will be doing editorials for MotoIQ on his P100D that's also waiting on them.

If that takes too long let's do a GB and make the wheel ourselves. If I spearhead it it will get done. You think there's enough S owners who would want a square setup? We can "crowd fund" it because that sounds so much cooler and get the community involved with the design. You want to start a poll? If you can get enough people in then we can do it. 10 sets and I'll make it happen. Assume pricing to be in line with Titans of the same sizing. Pending FEA and impact tests we're usually looking at a 3-5 month lead time. I'll have to see how backed up the factory is.

Damn, you do know your stuff!!!!. I'm glad to hear you didn't pay that much, I was really feeling sorry for you and was going to PM you about the return policy on both the wheels and tires. I know Titan7 doesn't make flow formed, maybe I wasn't clear, I was the guy that started the group buy for Titan7 for the first batch of Model 3's (back when I was going to buy one - then changed my mind), I keep waiting for them to make a 19" X 8 or 8.5 or 9 for my two Model S's, have deposits down (thru EvasiveMotorSports), but still waiting. I have worked directly with Mike C at Evasive and Eddie L at Titan, and you are right they have been decades long players in the space, and I believe their product is market disruptive. I had originally ordered Carbon Fiber Wheels with www.ESECarbon.com , I've had a deposit down for almost 4 years... still nothing from ESE... so I am definitely into wheel porn too (more on performance, less on pretty boy 22" that are useless). I also looked at www.CarbonRev.com and Aussy firm, (Jeff C), but they only wanna play with OEM, or large distro, so I abandoned dialog with them. I also checked out a UK company, called BX Elite® Auto Wheels - Faster: Stronger: Better (Chris S) and they actually did come to market with Carbon Barrel Hybrid with, forged faces for a two piece design, but then they sold their soul to a distro channel that marked them up like crazy.
Here is my redacted order with ESE from April 2016!!!! Still nothing. Still waiting ESE if you Fer's are watching.

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Estimated delivery date 2016-4-15

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[Xenoilphobe]

I've known Mike and Tony at EVS for a long time. We have a commonality with the Cyber EVO that campaigned Voltex and AME TM02 at WTA in AUS back in 2010-2011, AND WON!!!!. Tarzan Yamada is such a beast. Needless to say we have done work together for some time. I've known Eddie since the late 90's when he first started with Mackin and climbed that ladder to his ultimate goal with Titan 7. I'm so proud of what they're accomplishing. I have been told they are working on a Model S wheel but uncertain what the time frame is. I didn't bother asking. You want me to text them all? LOL!!! I'll do that for you. I'll wake them up out of bed and beg them for an answer. I actually have another friend who will be doing editorials for MotoIQ on his P100D that's also waiting on them.

If that takes too long let's do a GB and make the wheel ourselves. If I spearhead it it will get done. You think there's enough S owners who would want a square setup? We can "crowd fund" it because that sounds so much cooler and get the community involved with the design. You want to start a poll? If you can get enough people in then we can do it. 10 sets and I'll make it happen. Assume pricing to be in line with Titans of the same sizing. Pending FEA and impact tests we're usually looking at a 3-5 month lead time. I'll have to see how backed up the factory is.

The you probably know pretty much everyone is this article -- http://www.superstreetonline.com/features/impp-1202-sierra-sierra-evo-viii-cyber-evo-ix

Also I have been hesitating on ordering the 19's as I would like to see the new Triple Motor Model S (aka Nurburgring model), that will allow more aggressive fitments. So don't push the nuke button yet with Eddie! Couple of folks have hit me on PM and I just sent Mike a note this week, I know he is busy, so I will sit tight.

 

[P3D-R]

The you probably know pretty much everyone is this article -- Sierra Sierra EVO VIII / Cyber EVO IX - Apex Predator - Import Tuner Magazine

Also I have been hesitating on ordering the 19's as I would like to see the new Triple Motor Model S (aka Nurburgring model), that will allow more aggressive fitments. So don't push the nuke button yet with Eddie! Couple of folks have hit me on PM and I just sent Mike a note this week, I know he is busy, so I will sit tight.

Yup I met with the Sierra guys a while ago when they were campaigning and wanted to get them on some TM02's also.

Ok sounds good. LMK whenever you're ready to make some Xeno branded wheels.

 

[Xenoilphobe]

In fact I have weighed the Model 3 wheel in 20" weights 28.75 lbs - add TPMS and wheel weights and center cap weight (maybe another pound max). Also the tires are HEAVY...

22.3 lbs for a 19 X 9 @ $500 per wheel with 1 year warranty is steep for flow formed wheel with no lifetime warranty.

Did you ever check out a fully mono-block forged lifetime warrantied options like Titan 7's 19 X 9 @ 19 lbs or BCForged Mono-Block (3 year warranty) which are much lighter and only $150 more per wheel in 19's and the same price as the flow formed wheels in 18 X 8.5 Titan 7's @ 18 lbs?

Also there were some resources on the web that had the Model 3 20" wheels listed @ 32 lbs. I'll hit Archive.web and find out who it was, I wanna say it was an estimate by one of the "private label" wheel resellers like these guys, looks like they changed it "pending".

Also there is significant weight differences between tires as well. I just bought some for my son's Miata and it saved us 2 lbs per wheel verses the stock rubber.

Update: I found the source for 32 lbs for the 20 inch Tesla Stock Wheel - it was these guys - see bottom of thread - they must have weighed them with center cap, valve stem/TPMS & wheel weights.... a naked 20 inch Tesla Model 3 wheel is 28.75 lbs.

 

[P3D-R]

Update: I found the source for 32 lbs for the 20 inch Tesla Stock Wheel - it was these guys - see bottom of thread - they must have weighed them with center cap, valve stem/TPMS & wheel weights.... a naked 20 inch Tesla Model 3 wheel is 28.75 lbs.

I saw it elsewhere also but it's all been updated so that's what's important. My guesstimate of 28-29lbs would be including tpms, stems, and weights as well. I just took my gross stock weight and subtracted out the tire weight published on tirerack's website for the TO part #.

 

[Xenoilphobe]

Update: I found the source for 32 lbs for the 20 inch Tesla Stock Wheel - it was these guys - see bottom of thread - they must have weighed them with center cap, valve stem/TPMS & wheel weights.... a naked 20 inch Tesla Model 3 wheel is 28.75 lbs.

I can email Mike C... I would assume 30 lbs with all the other stuff (TPMS/Center Cap/valve Stem)

 

[P3D-R]

I can email Mike C... I would assume 30 lbs with all the other stuff (TPMS/Center Cap/valve Stem)

I think it's easier to just let Mike know that the weights are 28-29 lbs and just follow suit with everyone else at this point. That's the safe practice. I actually never noticed the weights on their website so I wasn't using that as a resource initially.

 

[Xenoilphobe]

I think it's easier to just let Mike know that the weights are 28-29 lbs and just follow suit with everyone else at this point. That's the safe practice. I actually never noticed the weights on their website so I wasn't using that as a resource initially.

I saw the same post on several other sites as well. But it seems they took down the posts.