Nissan to launch hands-off ProPilot 2.0 driver-assistance in Japan - Roadshow
So much for Tesla being 3+ years ahead.
Tesla built in October 2016 can now do the same thing a Nissan Built in October 2019 can hopefully do. 3 Years.
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Nissan to launch hands-off ProPilot 2.0 driver-assistance in Japan - Roadshow
So much for Tesla being 3+ years ahead.
Thanks. I just know what I have read about how some systems had issues. Glad to know if it is not an issue anymore.
Not sure what you are getting at. Tesla is not using a camera monitoring system so it's not the case that I am praising Tesla for doing it but criticizing others for doing the same thing.
In terms of Tesla's torque sensing, it works 100% for me. Once you learn the right motion, it is effortless. I dismiss the AP nag with one finger.
I’m getting at you being awfully dismissive of technological progress from others while also being dismissive of issues Tesla’s technology does have.
I mean, you dismiss all torque sensing issues because it works for you, but at the same time without any personal experience announce torque sensing is superior to eye monitoring because someone somewhere had an issue with the latter.
I can give you tons of people with issues with torque sensing... just look around TMC...
Keep an open mind.
I’m getting at you being awfully dismissive of technological progress from others while also being dismissive of issues Tesla’s technology does have.
Navigate on Autopilot only works on divided limited highway just as this. They also have a separate system that works on any single lane roads similar to regular Autopilot.
Yeah its called a driver monitoring camera to make sure the driver is pay attention and also hasn't fallen asleep, allows you to be completely hands free unlike the stupid constant torque/wiggle of autopilot that fails regularly leading to drivers falling asleep, accidents and four deaths and counting.
There is the hands-on system and the hands-off system. similar to how there's regular autopilot that works everywhere and then NOA that works only on divided limited access highways.
Propilot 1.0 was first launched in japan in Serena and then the year after launched in the US. Same as NOA introduction which launched about 6+ months later in EU. It hasn't launched anywhere else from what i can recall. I might definitely be wrong on that.
Yeah. I don't see how these are negatives, this is great for a system that doesn't have rear facing or rearview cameras. Using only Mobileye's tri-focal forward facing cameras.
Tesla's 8 cameras versus Mobileye's 3 cameras (trifocal). Shows you the hold up has always been with the automakers not the actual tech provider (Mobileye)
And if an auto maker has a really great version of it that works in all conditions, great!
Just to add one more thing: I am not dismissive of other's tech progress. It's great that Nissan is developing a great driver assist, similar to NOA. I am dismissive of falsely characterizing other's tech progress as being way superior to Tesla when it is not. Big difference!
Model 3s have interior facing cameras. They could start working on an attention detecting neural network if they thought it was a good way forward. Instead of spending time and effort on detecting attention, Tesla is spending time on getting FSD good enough for regulators to no longer need driver nags.
My point was regarding your comparison of Tesla’s and Nissan’s driver monitoring techniques. I think you were awfully dismissive of it before even trying. Hands-free / nag-free is certainly a potential benefit not to be dismissed.
The Skyline (there are unfortunately numerous models) is sold in many countries outside Japan, just not necessarily with that specific name.Also, Skyline is not available globally.
The more L2, the better!!
日産プロパイロット2.0、ステアリング手放しの実現には高精度地図が不可欠だった (1/2)
Here's a bit more detailed article about ProPilot 2.0 - they use 3 cameras for front (trifocal), and four cameras are for 360 view monitor so they are not actively used I guess for highway driving purposes. 12 ultrasonics, and 5 radars, one in front, one each in each corner of the vehicle.
They rely on 3D detailed map, which will be updated online, a few times a year, and it is necessary. This means Skyline will be fully online if you choose ProPilot 2.0.
This is starting to sound remarkably like Cadillac's system, with a couple extra functions enabled.
At least Nissan appears to have figured out the value of showing the driver what the car thinks the surrounding environment is, though.
I would say definitely better than Super Cruise. Super Cruise requires lidar premapping and lidar equipment. Nissan is backing Tesla's idea of vision and radar.
Nice try but no. This system appears to be more advanced because of the driver facing camera which allows true hands off in some cases but it is not years ahead to Tesla.
So Nissan's system requires hands on wheel for auto lane changes just like Tesla.
And this part:
As with all driver-assistance features like this, Nissan emphasizes that ProPilot 2.0 can only operate in certain, safe situations. For instance, it won't work around toll booths or exit ramps; the driver will be prompted to take over in those cases.
So again, it won't work on exit ramps?! NOA does work on exit tamps. NOA works on more roads and more situations and all without driver interventions.
My beef is not with the camera monitoring system. My beef is with the OP using Nissan's ProPilot 2 to take a cheap shot at Tesla. I don't think you can objectively say that Nissan's system is way ahead of Tesla. That's all. If the OP simply posted about what ProPilot 2 can do, I'd probably say it sounds like a cool driver assist.
They don't work or won't work well. The system has to see your eyes.
Who said it was years ahead? i said "so much for tesla being 3+ years ahead". Which is what you hear from Tesla fans. However they ARE using a vision chip (eyeq4) that is proven to be 2+ years ahead of Tesla.
The point is that Tesla isn't 3+ years ahead as Tesla fans erroneously claim, and the whole mantra about "billions of miles of data". Nissan didn't need billions of miles of data to create this neither did mobileye to create the vision neural networks.
Do NOA work on toll booths?
The point is, how many people have died in the tens of millions of traditional automakers ADAS system? ZERO. How many people have died in Propilot 1.0 although Nissan has it in over 400k cars? ZERO. How many people will die in Pro-pilot 2.0? Probably Zero. Exactly Nissan unlike Tesla will be responsible. Tesla doesn't care how many people die on the road to FSD which is why they let their system activate anywhere.
But besides, their regular hands on propilot DOES work on exit ramps. But this new propilot alerts you before you reach the exit ramp. Also the development prototype this is based off of works both on exit ramps and toll booths. This is a safety measure especially by the fact they are not using side and rear looking cameras.
Probably uses the rear facing radars.How does the Pro Pilot 2.0 system change lanes without rear facing cameras?
Probably uses the rear facing radars.
EyeQ5 now sampling. Up to 18 cameras with additional support for Radar/Lidar for redundancy. Starting to think Tesla should've just stuck with Mobileye and their (realistic) timeline.