No Summon Feature for Canadian Model 3!!!

[Vawlkus]

Tesla has applied to the FCC for a comms frequency for a fob. It’s not explicitly stated that it’s for a fob for the Model 3, but realistically that’s probably what it is.

Summon is a little nerfed by needing the fob to be within 10 feet of the car, but that doesn’t cripple it. I use it a couple times a week to get in and out of tight parking spots. It’s also fun to show off at car shows.

 

[mknox]

I heard Trump was going to put a tariff on Canadian fob's

Many may not be aware, but the S and X are currently not NAFTA compliant and already do have Federal duty built into the price. This is due to the high Japanese content in these cars (battery cells). Not an issue with the Model 3 as the batteries are made in the US.

They both have it, but it's crap. Because of the need to have the FOB and phone engaged, it glitches badly. Apparently the US version is actually useful. If this is a feature that's going to make/break your buying decision then don't buy it.

Indeed. My X has it, but aside from not being much more than a parlor trick, it does indeed glitch badly. Standing right next to the car at my garage, it will only work about 50% of the time, and of those times, it will often spontaneously lose connection and just lurch to a halt.

 

[Snowstorm]

Summon in Canadian S and X is not very useful. It requires internet round trip from your phone to consistently work. Fob near car, both phone and car have perfect internet connectivity, and a continuous press on the app button. It fails to start 25% of the time, and takes forever (>15s) to start another 25% of the time. Once it gets going, it has another 50% chance of pausing due to connectivity of one of those things interrupted. The way it is in the US is actually useful as it can be called from the Fob without internet loop. Press to start, press again to end.

 

[pcons]

Summon in Canadian S and X is not very useful. It requires internet round trip from your phone to consistently work. Fob near car, both phone and car have perfect internet connectivity, and a continuous press on the app button. It fails to start 25% of the time, and takes forever (>15s) to start another 25% of the time. Once it gets going, it has another 50% chance of pausing due to connectivity of one of those things interrupted. The way it is in the US is actually useful as it can be called from the Fob without internet loop. Press to start, press again to end.

Hmmm, all good stuff to know. I wasn't aware of this until this thread popped up again. Disappointing because summon was one of the things that I would use with EAP, but since the S and X are both crippled it's unlikely anything will change if the 3 ever gets it unlocked in Canada.

What if I drove to the states and did a software upgrade at a SC there (half joking)....would it persist once I got home?

 

[Snowstorm]

The car is tagged as a Canadian car and the software knows to cripple summon.

 

[steilkurve]

If and when it comes to Model 3, it may work better than with the S and X as maybe they’ll use the direct phone key Bluetooth connection to the car which would eliminate the internet round trip which invariably disconnects on the S and X.

 

[Canuck]

Another reason I wouldn't use it, even if we could:

Model 3 Summon In and Out of a Tight Garage

 

[Darscot]

The only real solution is to get the immobilization regulations changed. I'm not sure but you can you unlock a Model 3 remotely and allow it to start and be driven? If you can it seems they already allow you to circumvent the immobilizer. Wish we could get a little more information on exactly what the issue is.

 

[ZooSean]

The only real solution is to get the immobilization regulations changed. I'm not sure but you can you unlock a Model 3 remotely and allow it to start and be driven? If you can it seems they already allow you to circumvent the immobilizer. Wish we could get a little more information on exactly what the issue is.

No. we can only start the air conditioning not let the car to be driven from mobile app.

 

[Kira]

No. we can only start the air conditioning not let the car to be driven from mobile app.

Actually, I’ve used the App to unlock and start the car, so it could be driven when the person didn’t have a key card nor a paired cellphone with them. Worked great!

 

[Darscot]

No. we can only start the air conditioning not let the car to be driven from mobile app.

Everything else works has anyone actually tested unlocking and pressing start and seeing if it will let you put it in drive? When I press start it says to ID with my thumb and it gives me 2 minutes to put the car in drive?

 

[Darscot]

Actually, I’ve used the App to unlock and start the car, so it could be driven when the person didn’t have a key card nor a paired cellphone with them. Worked great!

I thought so, this completely defeats the immobilizer if we can do this we should be allowed to summon.

 

[Vawlkus]

I thought so, this completely defeats the immobilizer if we can do this we should be allowed to summon.

Logically yes, governmentally no.

 

[realtycoon]

What if I drove to the states and did a software upgrade at a SC there (half joking)....would it persist once I got home?

I actually got the software update while in the USA, I can confirm that I did not get the Summon feature with the update (I was hoping for the same thing)

 

[tsarlsy]

Summon in Canadian S and X is not very useful. It requires internet round trip from your phone to consistently work. Fob near car, both phone and car have perfect internet connectivity, and a continuous press on the app button. It fails to start 25% of the time, and takes forever (>15s) to start another 25% of the time. Once it gets going, it has another 50% chance of pausing due to connectivity of one of those things interrupted. The way it is in the US is actually useful as it can be called from the Fob without internet loop. Press to start, press again to end.

This. Summon is the most disappointing feature on my S. It doesn't work in Canada the way Elon hyped it up to be. (due to regulations here)

 

[ZooSean]

This. Summon is the most disappointing feature on my S. It doesn't work in Canada the way Elon hyped it up to be. (due to regulations here)

Looks Canadian will get the FSD much later than our US buddies. We do see the full autonomous driving moves much slower here in Canada...

 

[phtp]

Looks Canadian will get the FSD much later than our US buddies. We do see the full autonomous driving moves much slower here in Canada...

Maybe not as I hope the autonomous shuttle in Quebec goes well.

Canada's first self-driving shuttle using public roads coming to Candiac | CBC News

 

[AlsetS]

I must be missing some key pieces of information.

As I understand it, the Canadian immobilizer regulation requires the use of an “approved theft deterrent immobilizer” to allow the vehicle to be operated.

If the Model 3 is approved to be driven with a Bluetooth paired phone, then that setup would have to be a “approved theft deterrent immobilizer”

So wouldn’t operating summon on a Model 3 via your cell phone (while connected via Bluetooth) meet all the regulations in Canada?

 

[tom_s]

If this video is accurate:

, then maybe this will resolve this problem in Canada (?)

 

[Snowstorm]

If this video is accurate:

, then maybe this will resolve this problem in Canada (?)

Perhaps yes, but Tesla needs to make summon more useful. The limitation in Canada of having to go through the internet on the app makes summon to glitchy and slow to be useful. I hope it can work directly through to the car like in the USA.