Chuq
Active Member
Looks OK on supercharge.info...
But the Google Maps link appears to just look up the street address, and Google Maps thinks 1 Bay St is in the water... so not much anyone other than Google can do to fix it!
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NSW EV charging master plan
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But the Google Maps link appears to just look up the street address, and Google Maps thinks 1 Bay St is in the water... so not much anyone other than Google can do to fix it!
All these planned chargers now appear in Plugshare - did someone add them directly or does Plugshare pull it from some other database?
I also noticed a little over a week ago that someone had added a “new” NRMA charger in Young in the correct location, while the original one was still located on top of the “NRMA charger” map icon in the map itself, which is actually in the wrong location (only by about 20 metres, but enough I think to warrant a correction).
However this “new” site has pretty quickly been merged back with the original, including photos and check-ins.
I once reported in Plugshare the Bathurst Supercharger as not being in the correct location (which it isn’t - the map shows it in bowler’s run-up on the cricket oval) and placed it exactly in the right spot on the satellite image, but it hasn’t been fixed.
So does that mean the location of the “car charger” map icon, wherever that data comes from, has to be fixed, and then the charger location in Plugshare will be moved with it?
I also noticed a little over a week ago that someone had added a “new” NRMA charger in Young in the correct location, while the original one was still located on top of the “NRMA charger” map icon in the map itself, which is actually in the wrong location (only by about 20 metres, but enough I think to warrant a correction).
However this “new” site has pretty quickly been merged back with the original, including photos and check-ins.
I once reported in Plugshare the Bathurst Supercharger as not being in the correct location (which it isn’t - the map shows it in bowler’s run-up on the cricket oval) and placed it exactly in the right spot on the satellite image, but it hasn’t been fixed.
So does that mean the location of the “car charger” map icon, wherever that data comes from, has to be fixed, and then the charger location in Plugshare will be moved with it?
Looks like someones added them individually with errors (eg Figtee spelling).
I assume the supercharger ones will be deleted per Plugshares 'arrangement' with Tesla.
Afaik. Most are completely manual, though there is some auto-import of Tesla when complete.
I assume the supercharger ones will be deleted per Plugshares 'arrangement' with Tesla.
Afaik. Most are completely manual, though there is some auto-import of Tesla when complete.
Chuq
Active Member
Looks like someone named Michael:
They really clog up the map, hard to differentiate between a site which is undergoing repair, and a site which is 2+ years away (if at all, if some unforeseen circumstance prevents it)
Going through every single one and requesting deletion from Plugshare is exhausting though. I might just report one and mention it in the notes, they might do a bulk delete.
RichardV
Member
I don't really see the problem. If you don't want to see coming soon chargers then turn off the coming soon filter. Though plugshare could use a different color/symbol.
I do see a benefit in having them. Not everyone uses this forum or would know the government or 'supercharge.info' map. So having more people that can scout the locations and add photos of any activity or construction I think the better. I saw that with the East Gippsland chargers, photos coming up on plugshare with no mention here.
SA and WA both have plans out to the border from either side.
And this NRMA network extension - which has seemingly been funded with $40m in this week's budget.
ARENA/NRMA national fast charging network
Wasn't sure whether this was worth a new thread, but here it is! This network is an election promise by the federal ALP, so is only really relevant if they win on May 21, so odds are good, but if they don't.. I guess this thread can fizzle into obscurity! I've intentionally kept the party name...
teslamotorsclub.com
Note that the Hume Highway (Brisbane - Melbourne) network is probably the Australian equivalent of Trans-Canada - connecting the major population centres together.
While vastly different population wise, Perth is probably more equivalent to electrifying Vancouver - Whitehorse.
No. Only a few have been added.
My personal view given the number (86) and the timeframe (two years, but given history of these rollouts, probably longer)
Is it's not worth adding until construction begins, or there is council approval for example.
RichardV
Member
NSW funded Tesla superchargers, all 32 sites, will be open to all EVs and must include at least one Chademo connection per site.
As reported by NSW government department employees on Tesla Tom's live chat tonight.
Will be interesting how they achieve Chademo support as I think that will be a world first. Maybe just a third party charger included on site but I don't feel that is the typical Tesla way. Could we see a supercharger with a second cable that supports Chademo? Tesla already know how to have their cars talk Chademo so I wonder if they will just make their supercharger talk Chademo.
As reported by NSW government department employees on Tesla Tom's live chat tonight.
Will be interesting how they achieve Chademo support as I think that will be a world first. Maybe just a third party charger included on site but I don't feel that is the typical Tesla way. Could we see a supercharger with a second cable that supports Chademo? Tesla already know how to have their cars talk Chademo so I wonder if they will just make their supercharger talk Chademo.
They also have to have a couple of 350kW chargers... I strongly suspect the easiest way to cover both bases is to install a couple of third party units alongside the Superchargers.
Chuq
Active Member
I watched the same livestream and to be honest I was even more confused afterwards!
They said even the Tesla sites would have provision for Chademo and would also allow people to use a credit card. (The website also mentions that 2x stalls at each site would support 350 kW charging)
It sounds more like they're going to pop a 3rd party 350 kW capable unit (with two cables) at the end of the row of supercharger stalls.
[Edit: beaten by @cafz!]
They said even the Tesla sites would have provision for Chademo and would also allow people to use a credit card. (The website also mentions that 2x stalls at each site would support 350 kW charging)
It sounds more like they're going to pop a 3rd party 350 kW capable unit (with two cables) at the end of the row of supercharger stalls.
[Edit: beaten by @cafz!]
RichardV
Member
But that sounds too easy. I wanna see Chademo SuperChargers
RichardV
Member
There are a number of 6 stall sites and even some four stall sites. Would be strange to have two non-tesla chargers and two tesla charger 'Tesla' site. Though technically they can have more than the 4 charging cables per site but the extra bays/cables/chargers are not gov funded.But that sounds too easy. I wanna see Chademo SuperChargers
RichardV
Member
WRT 350KW charging, technically it was at least about 300KW as it was 350KW +- 15%.
I think there was talk of 300kw upgrade to V3 chargers but by the time these come online maybe we will be seeing V4 Superchargers.
I think there was talk of 300kw upgrade to V3 chargers but by the time these come online maybe we will be seeing V4 Superchargers.
I'm not sure if other than design and cable length there will be much difference between V3 and V4.
And much like the 350kW machines can only reach that level for 800V cars, I suspect Tesla's solution (unless they also add third party chargers) will be for Tesla's only - as I don't think other vehicles will accept above 400A.
The other requirement that will be I think new for Tesla globally is the one to accept tap and go payment cards - harder when you don't have a screen. (Interestingly no reference to NSW Opal Card acceptance which was also in the tender docs).
Not sure about Tesla using third party chargers given the later discussion that all the stalls had to be open.
And much like the 350kW machines can only reach that level for 800V cars, I suspect Tesla's solution (unless they also add third party chargers) will be for Tesla's only - as I don't think other vehicles will accept above 400A.
The other requirement that will be I think new for Tesla globally is the one to accept tap and go payment cards - harder when you don't have a screen. (Interestingly no reference to NSW Opal Card acceptance which was also in the tender docs).
Not sure about Tesla using third party chargers given the later discussion that all the stalls had to be open.
Working alongside Gov for the last 23 years it always amazes me how these 'wishlist' projects morph over time. Remember that the doc's do state that conditions for the funding can change without notice. I suspect there might be a bit of this to happen to allow the chargers to get installed.
