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They don't have to say "not supported" explicitly, if it's not in the specs, it's not supported. For example if a charger doesn't list CHAdeMO support, it doesn't support it. If it doesn't list Tesla protocol support, it doesn't support it. As others pointed out, NACS does not include Tesla protocol support.And the converse? Has any manufacturer announced that older cars will not be supported?
No, older Teslas don't support CHAdeMO protocol, that's why Tesla had to make an active adapter. The spec sheet would need to say it supports Tesla's protocol to work with older Teslas.Exactly. That Terra charger datasheet states that it supports both CHAdeMO and CCS protocols - the two protocols used by Tesla. And it can be configured with a variety of connectors, like NACS or whatever. So if it can run the CHAdeMO protocol on a NACS connector, doesn't that suggest older models are supported?
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You sure like replying to people, too bad it's not with useful info. Seems like whatever people say you figure out a way to say the reverse, no thinking, just say the reverse. It's crazy the theories your brain keeps coming up with. How many times do we all need to tell you that NACS is NOT Tesla proprietary charging and Teslas that don't speak CCS will not be able to use NACS, sheesh! "Oh, but the moon is in orbit of the Earth so ALL Teslas can charge everywhere"Exactly. That Terra charger datasheet states that it supports both CHAdeMO and CCS protocols - the two protocols used by Tesla. And it can be configured with a variety of connectors, like NACS or whatever. So if it can run the CHAdeMO protocol on a NACS connector, doesn't that suggest older models are supported?
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You sure like replying to people, too bad it's not with useful info. Seems like whatever people say you figure out a way to say the reverse, no thinking, just say the reverse. It's crazy the theories your brain keeps coming up with. How many times do we all need to tell you that NACS is NOT Tesla proprietary charging and Teslas that don't speak CCS will not be able to use NACS, sheesh! "Oh, but the moon is in orbit of the Earth so ALL Teslas can charge everywhere"
I will occasionally post bad info because I hope to goad others into posting the correct info that I don't know, I find it works better than posting a question looking for the same info, but you are beating a dead horse.
CCS means more money for Qualcomm and their licensed tech that Tesla Proprietary doesn't use.
There is someone working on adding CCS support to the Leaf. And there is no reason you couldn't buy a NACS port to hook up to that.Too bad no companies got license to build aftermarket kits for Nissan Leaf to have a NACS port. Long live CHAdeMO thanks to Tesla?
There is someone working on adding CCS support to the Leaf. And there is no reason you couldn't buy a NACS port to hook up to that.
Generally, it is best to setup the account with the CCS1 charge provider, ahead of time using a PC and provide a credit card # for billing, then install the needed app on one's cellphone and verify that it's connecting properly. Test access to the charge provider at a local CCS1 charger, rather than on the road. You can use plugshare to scout out which CCS1 charge providers will be used when road tripping. Trying to install a cellphone app at the charger is always problematic. Sometimes the charge provider can issue an RFID card, and these are very useful and quite reliable, CC readers tend to be unreliable but cellphone apps seem to work well but you will need a cellphone data plan.Thanks for sharing your experience. Good to hear your success rate. I Will keep on trying.
The "pilot line fiddling" you describe is part of the CHAdeMO protocol handshake. Without it, it's not CHAdeMO. In the video link, he also describes differences even during the digital part of the handshake, so there are differences even beyond that.Well the active adapter is just for pilot line fiddling. The protocol itself is CHAdeMO.
Thanks. I live in Canada, and did this on the night I got the adapter. I installed a few apps that I expected to use so that this wouldn’t be an issue (Ivy, Electrify Canada, Circuit Electrique). The problem wasn’t the apps themselves (they seem to be pretty smooth). It would be that a) the charger itself is broken or not responding, or b) I connect and and activate but charge doesn’t start (after multiple attempts).Generally, it is best to setup the account with the CCS1 charge provider, ahead of time using a PC and provide a credit card # for billing, then install the needed app on one's cellphone and verify that it's connecting properly. Test access to the charge provider at a local CCS1 charger, rather than on the road. You can use plugshare to scout out which CCS1 charge providers will be used when road tripping. Trying to install a cellphone app at the charger is always problematic. Sometimes the charge provider can issue an RFID card, and these are very useful and quite reliable, CC readers tend to be unreliable but cellphone apps seem to work well but you will need a cellphone data plan.
I am sorry to hear that. On our recent trip from BC to Niagara Falls and back, we were only unable to use CCS1 once, in Marathon ON, where the 2 PetroCan CCS1 (and a J1772) had been turned off (and I didn't read the comments on plugshare!). Generally, I never use CCS1 when I am in a hurry if there are Tesla SCs available, but I will use them when they are convenient for meals (even a 22kw or 44kw DCFC is handy for a meal break) or shopping, or if they're required for my planned route.Thanks. I live in Canada, and did this on the night I got the adapter. I installed a few apps that I expected to use so that this wouldn’t be an issue (Ivy, Electrify Canada, Circuit Electrique). The problem wasn’t the apps themselves (they seem to be pretty smooth). It would be that a) the charger itself is broken or not responding, or b) I connect and and activate but charge doesn’t start (after multiple attempts).
The ones that have worked (Circuit Eletrique in Quebec worked the one time I used it) are usually much slower than supercharging (yes, even when using the method of preconditioning for a good amount before - with a supercharger set in navigation destination) - they deliver lower KW than advertised, or they are older hardware and top out at a lower wattage (50 or 100 KW).
I’ve found the Ivy Chargers on the 401 to be very iffy. They are conveniently located but not reliable. 2 out of 3 locations did not have a functioning charger on my last road trip.
Putting aside that the video you linked said even the digital handshake also has differences (putting aside all the analog pins), which means even that part of the protocol is different:The "protocol" is CHAdeMO or CCS.
The "carrier" is CAN, Powerline, or analog.
The "connector" is NACS, CCS1, etc.
Tesla's "pilot line fiddling" is a way of using any of these protocols on any of these connectors with far fewer pins and there's obviously no need for this to be part of the J3400 standard and implemented into every new Buick. It was just a hack that enabled them to use the established CHAdeMO protocol and CAN carrier back in 2012 without having to actually use the silly CHAdeMO plug.
The "theory" is that non-Tesla stations won't employ the "fiddler" for some reason but thus far, no one has cited any evidence or indication of this mysterious reason other than the fact that J3400 doesn't actually force them to. Meanwhile, capitalism suggests that charging stations would likely spend the extra $10 to get a million more customers. And Tesla has strongly promoted "open" charging standards with no indication that they would oppose 3rd party pilot line fiddling.
So what the hell are all you guys arguing? That charging stations hate profit? That Tesla has vowed to cripple NACS compatibility? That it violates the laws of physics? Someone, please, offer just one explanation that doesn't fit into one of these three categories.