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Ordered my MS Plaid

Discussion in 'Model S' started by Zer0t, Sep 22, 2020.

  1. WASD

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    #201 WASD, Feb 3, 2021
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    I was using math to show how they came up with the estimates on the product page (answering the quoted question). Not sure what you're trying to say here quoting my post. 50 kwh in 15 minutes is 200kwh (60 minutes divided by 15 minutes is 4, 4 times 50kwh is 200kwh). Tesla is saying based on the EPA estimate of 412 miles per charge on the 100khw battery of the new Model S, at approx. 200kwh charging rate you will hit 200mph speeds. Yeah I know the math isn't perfect, the usable size of the battery is not 100kwh, the range is not an even 400, but i used rounded numbers to show the math involved in the calculations.

    There are obviously many factors that go into not only range but also charging speed. EV range and charging rates are influenced by a lot of things, more so than a typical ICE cars MPG rating. My Model S charging speed/range varied wildly compared to the Spark EV I had and the Bolt EV we have now.

    Do you expect Tesla to say "Charging speeds between 1,000 and 100 mph depending on state of charge, temperature, age of battery, and other factors" ??? No, they are going to give a rounded estimate based on averages.
     
  2. MarcG

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    Don’t forget supercharging is logarithmic, not linear.

    Example of an old chart Tesla posted a while back:

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  3. aerodyne

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    Good info. It must be the data that the trip planner is using, from 2018.

    My 85 won't change that fast now. 30 to 80% is 45min...

    Good fodder for the Chargegate thread.

    Do you have a link for that pic?
     
  4. MarcG

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    It’s not on Tesla’s page anymore (obviously) but I found it here:
    https://i.imgur.com/cQPkofQ.gif
     
  5. Daniellane

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    Just continued the conversation, injecting some real world data & observations. Not intending to be a contrarian. When V3 was introduced Tesla said it could charge a Model at “up to” 1,000 mph. Not untrue, However not sustainable for very long or at a higher state of charge.
     
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  6. Darmie

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    It's there.
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    #207 Daniellane, Feb 5, 2021
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    As it turns out the “200 miles in 15 minutes” section didn’t appear in iOS Safari. Tried it in Chrome and it was there.
    Safari...
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    chrome...

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  8. aerodyne

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    Might happen once on a new car, pack at 0%, 106 deg F cell temp, 45 deg OAT, empty V3 charger, headed downhill with a brisk tailwind.

    Just trying to manage expectations...
     
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  9. Zorg

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    Still an average charge rate of 200KW over 50% of the battery capacity is impressive.
     
  10. MarcG

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    Indeed. This is assuming the usable pack size is around 100kWh though.

    I’ve been thinking about the new Model S efficiency and pack size, so I figured the usable capacity must be around 100kWh for the 412-mile range to make sense at an average of 242 Wh/mile.

    If they somehow managed to reduce efficiency below that of a Long Range Model 3 to, let’s say, 220 Wh/mile, then the usable capacity would only be around 90kWh. That would be impressive efficiency though!
     
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    Improve efficiency; Increase efficiency; Certainly not reduce efficiency.
     
  12. MarcG

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    Lol clearly I meant “reduce consumption” (going down from 242 to 220 Wh/mile).
     
  13. Daniellane

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    I spoke to someone in Tesla Sales regarding my order today. He told me that It was confirmed that the Plaid+ would have 4680s, but not likely to be a structural pack.
    When I asked him when it was confirmed, he told me it was at the quarterly meeting.
    I don’t see any evidence of that online. Even went through the transcripts.
    However I did find this, which
    obviously, predates the refreshed s/x announcement...
    https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1311881562728747010?
    ref_url=https%3a%2f%2fd-5721437811187745951.ampproject.net%2f2101230412006%2fframe.html


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  14. MarcG

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    Tesla Sales lol... they don’t know much about future products, and their knowledge of existing products is also debatable.

    The Plaid+ as it is now known will have a structural pack. No point of using 4680 cells otherwise.

    Elon discussed structural packs in his chat with Sandy Munro. While he didn’t explicitly mention the Plaid+, it’s obvious it will be tied to 4680 cells per the Battery Day presentation.
     
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  15. Daniellane

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    My Plaid+ Reservation changed today.
    No image anymore. The build details still remain unchanged other than the “+” that they added when the “refresh” was announced.
    Maybe it’s just being shown in stealth mode.;)
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  16. ICUDoc

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    White on white, Daniel?
     
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  17. aerodyne

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    My image is a little garbled, but the details are there.

    There is no penalty for waiting until you get notice to confirm you order, which will be months away.
     
  18. hungstart

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    Mine also changed today. No picture but every thing else stayed the same. My rep said it would be late ‘21 early ‘22 before the plaid+ would be delivered.
     
  19. sillydriver

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    Mine has no picture either, which makes me happy because it implies the plaid+ will be visually distinguishable.
     
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  20. ICUDoc

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    I agree that it seems likely that the pics are down while they put up new, accurate ones of Plaid+ vehicles.
    (but I still hope they are very subtle- I'd rather a Q-car than something that is obviously top-of-the-range)
     
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