The current theory is that the torque curve is pre-programmed, so different tires shouldn't have any effect, as long as the tires don't spin. If anything, the heavier 21" wheels should be slower.
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The X-axis is the velocity, not the time. And I think one needs to be careful about comparing the amount of power available at a given speed.
So if one were to look at the power profile, with time on the X-axis, the two power profiles would compare quite differently.
For example: It stands to reason that when the P100DL reaches 35 mph, less time has passed than when the P90DL does.
So I could imagine that with time on the X-axis the power profile of the P90DL would not go so significantly above the P100DL.
So it would be interesting to see the power with time on the X-axis.
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We really need some chassis CAN bus data....... nothing like raw 100 hz time based data
If the power is greater at the same rpm the torque must be greater. If the torque is greater the acceleration is greater. If the acceleration is greater the speed is greater at the same time. So the speed is increasing more rapidly for the p90d. The plot shows that dpower/dspeed is greater for the P90D. And Dspeed/Dtime is also greater, aka acceleration. So dpower/dspeed * dspeed/dtime = dpower/dtime is geater.
Yeah, that sounds like dright answer. I suspect the TRC car was a ringer anyway. What, too soon?
Great result and performance with just all-season tires! thanks for the video!
I think the time will be even better if the car doesn't have the ultra high fidelity sound (extra weight from sub-woofer) and with 21 inch performance tire (better grip).
I was also surprised by the front left and front right weight distribution. Is all Tesla like that?
By the way, I don't think the front and rear weight distribution has any issues here. Tesla cars are always slightly rear weight biased, which is the case here.
I thought that yellow triangle means power limitation to prevent battery overheating, just like the old dotted line. But I could be wrong on this.
the limitation has never been the motors. It is the delivery of electric power from the battery without overheating.
There were a lot of P90DL v2 cars that can reach 510 to 512 kw. Kind of makes me wonder why the Tesla Racing Channel P90DL v3 only makes 500 kw at max, and this is the car that makes 10.80 sec 1/4 mile. Something doesn't add up here.I added a graph of the P100DL vs P90DL v3 (the TRC car)
are you guys sure that it is the motor that is over-heating, but not the battery?
this car has 19 inch all season tires and extra weight from ultra-high fidelity sound system. You should look at these two videos for more comparable apple-to-apple comparison.
The fastest P90DL v3 with all season tires run 0-60 in 2.65 second, 0-100 in 7.06 second, and 1/4 mile in 11.03. Quite a bit slower than all the numbers we see with the new P100DL.
P100DL with all season tires runs 0-60 in 2.54 second, 0-100 in 6.52 second (HUGE improvement here), and 1/4 mile in 10.78 second. I am pretty sure P100DL with the right specs and min weight can achieve 10.6x second 1/4 mile.
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the power (kw) curve that he posts did NOT come from the vbox. Vbox doesn't have access to the internal car system to see how much power the battery is making. The graph is from an Apple app measured with iphone.
It is already proven that Tesla with 21 performance tire is faster than 19 inch with all season tires.
I wasn't talking about the power curves there. I was talking about when he first mentions the quarter mile time in the video. When I talk about the power curves, it is in answer to the question of why the quarter mile time wasn't faster.
Motor Trend is showing 50/50 distribution for P85D. See 13:31 in the video. Motor Trend measure this with their own scale.
That's why I said current theory. Every time I propose an argument for why the 21" wheels should be faster, sorka chimes in with the pre-programmed torque curve stuff. I have 19" summer tires on my p90dl and have done some acceleration runs. I also have a P85+ with staggered 21" wheels that I am going to move over to the P90DL. We'll see if it makes any difference.
Where is it proven?
Well I've seen other post that say 51:49 and I've actually measured my own car. It's not exactly 51, it's like 50.7. But the front of the car is heavier, not lighter.
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Check with the Norwegians first.Based on those numbers I can safely conclude Elon did not lie and we don't need to sue anyone.
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