mlopyrev
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Just keep it under 45 mph when it gets over 90F come summer. I’m sure they won’t blow out too badly.
I can always blame it on Autopilot, you know...
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Just keep it under 45 mph when it gets over 90F come summer. I’m sure they won’t blow out too badly.
Pilot Sport 4S have lasted me all winter in well below freezing temps. Multiple ski trips. Still waiting for them to crack.
Traction sucks in snow, of course. But I go into snow specifically for fun.
P.S. yes, chains on all 4 wheels. yes, Tesla says blah blah wheel well clearance, blah blah tires cracking. Still going strong.
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I can’t tell if this is a joke or actual stupidity.
Actual stupidity. 38 pages of discussion and not one person actually bothered to question the warning label and testvthe damn tires in freezing temperatures. No, they do not crack as claimed on the warming label. Not only that, but I only managed to find one video on YouTube of a guy who succeeded cracking the thread on the summer tires by beating them up all winter long. One guy managed to do it.
Any other ideas you’d like to take on faith, without proof?
Also, anyone had the spark of inspiration to wonder: why did Tesla ship a car with summer tires in November, just in time for snow. Who forgot to think outside the box?
Any other ideas you’d like to take on faith, without proof?
Actual stupidity. 38 pages of discussion and not one person actually bothered to question the warning label and testvthe damn tires in freezing temperatures. No, they do not crack as claimed on the warming label. Not only that, but I only managed to find one video on YouTube of a guy who succeeded cracking the thread on the summer tires by beating them up all winter long. One guy managed to do it.
Any other ideas you’d like to take on faith, without proof?
Actual stupidity. 38 pages of discussion and not one person actually bothered to question the warning label and testvthe damn tires in freezing temperatures. No, they do not crack as claimed on the warming label. Not only that, but I only managed to find one video on YouTube of a guy who succeeded cracking the thread on the summer tires by beating them up all winter long. One guy managed to do it.
Any other ideas you’d like to take on faith, without proof?
Just to throw some actual data out there to show using summers in snow is... less than smart... here's objective testing of same:
Tire Test: All-Season vs. Snow vs. Summer | Edmunds
They test summer, winter, and all-seasons in snow, wet (above freezing) and dry conditions.
(the all seasons are even MXM4s, though an older gen of em)
The all-seasons come in 2nd or 3rd in all categories, sometimes surprisingly far behind...but most relevant to this discussion is the snow conditions-
Stopping from 40 mph:
Snow tires- 156 feet
All seasons- 184 feet
Summer tires- 351 feet. More than double the distance of winters.
And stopping from 60 mph?
Snow tires- 362 feet.
All seasons -421 feet
The summer tires? they couldn't even get the car UP to 60 in the amount of room they had, but running the math on what results they did get puts the stopping distance north of 800 feet
Over on the skid pad?
Snow tires- 0.30 lateral g
All seasons- 0.28 lateral g
Summers? a pitiful 0.15g
So, I mean, they "work" for a certain definition of work. Me, I'm a little to fond of not wrecking my car to go that way though.
Forgetting everything else for just a moment, isn't it inconvenient to have to put chains on? Although I don't live in CA, I'm very familiar with the route over Donner Pass (I just went over it last week in fact) and I know that Caltrans generally excepts all wheel drive vehicles with snow tires from their chains requirement (not always, but generally). Wouldn't it be much more convenient to have winter tires so you can just get in the car and go without having to think about chains? That pit stop area where you're supposed to put the chains on can get really brutal when it's crowded and snowing heavily.
I’ve explained this to someone else before.
When you go on a road trip, you do so because you enjoy driving. Otherwise you would take a train or an airplane.
When you enjoy driving, you want to arrange it so enjoy every part of it without exception. That includes fidgeting with chains. It has become the fun part. And driving in chains in snow is even more fun. Snowmobile mode.
If there was another device that could provide even more traction in snow and ice, I would consider it. Maybe tracks.
I'm with ya'll on this — seems crazy to use summers in winter. But, he did point out that he uses chains — so for the data to be applicable to his use case, they'd have to retest the summers with chains on.
Using chains just makes it even more ridiculous. They’re a menace to roads and other vehicles, never mind how harmful they can be to your own car and your rock hard frozen summer tires.
Chains are for extreme conditions and emergencies. You don’t get to those conditions with summer tires, and you don’t get to them with the chains on.
Or you know...snow tires? Generally a good pair of snow tires (especially if they are studded) provide just as much traction as chains. I'm using a snow tire with a rubber blend so it doesn't melt when I commute in san diego heat and I was able to drive through 7"+ of dense sierra cement in tahoe without a problem (though my car was caked in snow afterwards)
Lold at “Sierra cement”! Classic! Gotta remember that.
See, you did it again though: “...able to drive ... without a problem”.
“Without a problem” is not good enough. Your car does not simply drive on tarmac “without a problem”. It rips through it like it’s on rails. That’s the feeling I’m looking for when driving in snow. Whtever that device will be called, Tesla can market it as: Model 3 Winter Performance.
For now it’s chains.
Thanks @DrSmile for your response detailing trouble free
I went with Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+, tire size 245/40ZR19. I ordered it from Costco, item # 1059409. Sad that it didn't come in 235/40/19.
Anyone get Tesla to sub a 19" OEM rim for the model 3P 20" OEM?
I'm hoping to get a 3P RSN from Rocklin, CA. I was rather shocked to find that a car sold in the Sierra foothills couldn't drive up 80 (major east west highway in the USA) for 1.25 hours without violating the spec of the tires. Right now, despite a 104F high *today*, truckee is below 40F as I type this.