Tiger
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Passed demand. Please remember that past performance may not be indicative of future results.current demand and pricing structure says otherwise
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Passed demand. Please remember that past performance may not be indicative of future results.current demand and pricing structure says otherwise
Dude, my post was post color price change. My point is that X LR has no room for price increase in 2024. It's simple economics, If Tesla increases price by $2,500, it would cost some buyers $10,000. No way that is going to happen. As long as X LR quality for Tax credit, this will be the highest price (due to $80k cap).Well it did, couple days ago when the X increased in price for other colors except stealth gray.
They also increased the price in October for the MXP by $5k.
Yes, prices may eventually come down, or it may not. It really depends. If war breaks out or another pandemic happens and everything goes up in price I doubt Tesla will keep prices at $79,990 for the Model X.
Did the Model 3 drop in price this year when it stopped qualifying for the tax credit?
Dude, my post was post color price change. My point is that X LR has no room for price increase in 2024. It's simple economics, If Tesla increases price by $2,500, it would cost some buyers $10,000. No way that is going to happen. As long as X LR quality for Tax credit, this will be the highest price (due to $80k cap).
It can only Go down from hear on out for the rest of the year.
BMW sucks. Any other EV is not even close to Tesla. The reason is that they have a good 70,000 strong team vs a few hundreds working for an individual company in EV department. Just like GM stopped making Bolt (not rehauling, similar will happen to every singe EV manufacturer). You can put as many miles as you want on Teslas, they will continue performing. Tesla gives 150,000 miles Battery warranty, and most of the cars go to straight junk yard around the same mileage or before (say about 85%).
I'm getting rid of my Model X in a couple of years, as I'm not really happy with the vehicle, especially after spending $80k for it.
How do you feel about the fact that non-Teslas have a worse charging network for roadtrips? The main reason I didn’t consider other EVs was simply the charging network diff.Not sure what this comment has anything to do with the thread.
I own a Model X, and would actually rather prefer a BMW iX now that I've owned Model X for 2 months. At prices of over $80k, I would like to see more luxury features and quietness on the drive. BMW iX has more range, more comfort, quieter than the Model X, and more importantly, much better build quality. I can lease a BMW iX for about $700 a month, compared to way more for a Tesla Model X. Model X has some nice gimmicks, sure, but they're not game changers for me.
I'm getting rid of my Model X in a couple of years, as I'm not really happy with the vehicle, especially after spending $80k for it.
We have to also consider the demographic...people who can afford $80k vehicles have a lot more disposable income and are more likely to lease luxury vehicles.
How do you feel about the fact that non-Teslas have a worse charging network for roadtrips? The main reason I didn’t consider other EVs was simply the charging network diff.
I wish Tesla had stipulations that your car must be able to precondition the battery and take more than 200+kW at 400V for 10 minutes before allowing the Bolts of the world to sit at a Supercharger for hours. Even Lucids won’t be able to take more than 50kW, because they are 800V architecture and use an onboard booster (DC-DC Converter/Transformer) to convert the 400V to 800V.That used to be case but now all have NACS (or Tesla CCS superchargers opening to all in EU).
I find it quicker to preheat battery using few back-to-back acceleration runs:I wish Tesla had stipulations that your car must be able to precondition the battery and take more than 200+kW at 400V for 10 minutes before allowing the Bolts of the world to sit at a Supercharger for hours. Even Lucids won’t be able to take more than 50kW, because they are 800V architecture and use an onboard booster (DC-DC Converter/Transformer) to convert the 400V to 800V.
How do you feel about the fact that non-Teslas have a worse charging network for roadtrips? The main reason I didn’t consider other EVs was simply the charging network diff.
How do you feel about the fact that non-Teslas have a worse charging network for roadtrips? The main reason I didn’t consider other EVs was simply the charging network diff.
The whole benefit of paying less for electricity than gas goes out the window when it comes to using charging network outside of your own home.
For roadtrips, I much prefer using my ICE or PHEV vehicles. My Acura MDX (which I'm probably trading in for a Type S MDX for the new refresh this year) will probably be the one I use for roadtrips.
You can't honestly say that it is cheaper to own and operate a side-kick ICE or PHEV than pay a bit more for electric charging on an occasional road trip? You must be kidding. Even renting would be more expensive than a bit of overcharging the EV.
As for the road tripping, if your driving style includes stops, then current ranges are quite ok and 15-20min stops here and there won't really make a difference to travelling with ICE except that you have to "plan" your stops. With an ICE you can "wing it" and you can for example eat at a different location than where you fill up, without much affecting the overall travel time. With an EV you'd prefer to eat while charging.
One significant difference I did notice on a trip to the alps where we rented an ICE for a week in the winter (around 0 celcius/32F). We spent maybe 15% of the full fuel tank on a week's trip, but with an EV I believe it would have been maybe 150% worth of battery charge with full comfort and maybe barely a pinch less than 100% if we would skimp on preheating and climate. So definitely would have had more charge angsiety in an unfamiliar territoriy with an EV, but there was overnight charging at the hotel and a supercharger some twenty minutes drive away and in reality would have been trivial.
The bigger pain in the butt is like I want to travel cross country for road trips. I do not want to be hunting for charging stations which may be few and far in between especially in areas with less population. There are still not nearly enough of them to be able to travel comfortably anywhere I would want to go.
Also, supercharging in my mind decreases battery longevity, since you're charging at such high rates.
That point also is largely debunked:Again to your point, in the winter, it's not as convenient for an EV. Chicagoland had huge problems during the snow storm and cold weather for Teslas resulting in huge lines for charging stations.
That is probably optional, I would assume there are restaurants near charging stations, so you can charge while eating at a restaurant.Also, excuse me, but I do not like to eat in my $80k Tesla. I prefer to not eat in the car and get it all dirty/oily.
PHEV is useful if you drive like a grandma, as it will always kick in the gasoline engine if you push it or at higher speeds.Now that I think about it, PHEV is the way to go for me. My commute to work is relatively short enough that I don't even have to use gas most of the time, but on those long trips, I have that convenience of being able to use gas if I wanted to.
The bigger pain in the butt is like I want to travel cross country for road trips. I do not want to be hunting for charging stations which may be few and far in between especially in areas with less population. There are still not nearly enough of them to be able to travel comfortably anywhere I would want to go.
Money isn't a huge issue for me, but gas savings was only a minor part of my argument.
Also, supercharging in my mind decreases battery longevity, since you're charging at such high rates. Again to your point, in the winter, it's not as convenient for an EV. Chicagoland had huge problems during the snow storm and cold weather for Teslas resulting in huge lines for charging stations. Also, excuse me, but I do not like to eat in my $80k Tesla. I prefer to not eat in the car and get it all dirty/oily.
Now that I think about it, PHEV is the way to go for me. My commute to work is relatively short enough that I don't even have to use gas most of the time, but on those long trips, I have that convenience of being able to use gas if I wanted to.
PHEV is useful if you drive like a grandma, as it will always kick in the gasoline engine if you push it or at higher speeds.
It is not rational to design such purchase around your worst case scenario, as you can always rent a PHEV for your occasional edge scenario.
Now you are confusing me. You said you want BMW IX and then you are saying you don't want EV at all and prefer MDX. MDX is indeed good but in Iphone era, you are using button phone like blackberry/nokia, but I would say its your choice. Also, where did you learn that IX has more range than X? Also, I am assuming you are not in US because in US, X is about $72.5k vs BMW IX (the cheapest versioon with NO additional accessories) cost $88x+taxes (~$93k). I would say, FIRST own and then write that you like BMW IX. I have model 3, and Y, and X is on its way. I drove to more than 500 miles in a day without any charging issues; have driven 50k miles combined, no issues. Also, having solar installed on my roof, I had paid $0 for ~45k miles with an exception of about 4-5k miles when I drove more than 130 miles from my house. I am in NJ; everywhere I see fast charging.The bigger pain in the butt is like I want to travel cross country for road trips. I do not want to be hunting for charging stations which may be few and far in between especially in areas with less population. There are still not nearly enough of them to be able to travel comfortably anywhere I would want to go.
Money isn't a huge issue for me, but gas savings was only a minor part of my argument.
Also, supercharging in my mind decreases battery longevity, since you're charging at such high rates. Again to your point, in the winter, it's not as convenient for an EV. Chicagoland had huge problems during the snow storm and cold weather for Teslas resulting in huge lines for charging stations. Also, excuse me, but I do not like to eat in my $80k Tesla. I prefer to not eat in the car and get it all dirty/oily.
Now that I think about it, PHEV is the way to go for me. My commute to work is relatively short enough that I don't even have to use gas most of the time, but on those long trips, I have that convenience of being able to use gas if I wanted to.
Ah..yes.. I only accelerate all the time Otherwise I would buy a Leaf or for more miles the 500-mile Lucid.On my Jeep GC 4xe, the engine will kick in when you floor it, but once you're cruising on the roads, battery is enough. Have you driven a PHEV? The engine only kicks in when you want to accelerate like a madman.
It's probably a nice car, if you don't mind the ICE chill mode. Test Driven?Eventually, once the battery runs out, then the engine will always kick on, but still run in "hybrid" mode. The car is designed that there is almost always enough battery for those short bursts of acceleration.
But anyways, I'm pretty sure the X5 50e PHEV from BMW is even more refined, given it uses a 6 cylinder engine.
Let your wife have what she wants, but I can't fathom why you would have additional ICE cars as you can rent the latest and greatest whenever you want to bother. Each to their own. Same as the people who fuzz about FSD, take a taxi (autonomous, eventually)! Interesting to see how the valuation of ICE cars is going to drop like a rock sometime in the future, not many years from now. Wouldn't want to be left holding the bag there.Again, my case use scenario is that I use my Model X to work which happens about 99% of the time. I own two other vehicles, one PHEV, one ICE, for the times I decide weather is poor around the PNW area or I need more space or I need to bring 7 passengers. My wife hates the Tesla and hates the one pedal driving but she would much rather have PHEV over anything else.
Well, we need two cars for commuting to work for each of us, and then a bigger one with more seats when we have to take more family members out with us.Let your wife have what she wants, but I can't fathom why you would have additional ICE cars as you can rent the latest and greatest whenever you want to bother. Each to their own. Same as the people who fuzz about FSD, take a taxi (autonomous, eventually)! Interesting to see how the valuation of ICE cars is going to drop like a rock sometime in the future, not many years from now. Wouldn't want to be left holding the bag there.