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New model s first road trip was 181 miles. Used 66 percent. Way short of what expected. Temp was low 40s. Is this temp related?
About 50% of the 180 miles was at 70-80mph- the rest was below 70 but all highway. Wind was not bad, it was misting a bit. Unsure also on total elevation change which just occurred to me as a potential. On the way home- same path it did about 10% better.Travel speed? Wind? Other weather?
181 miles on 66% is 274 miles of real world driving range. 274 out of a rated 405 is 67% efficiency, which isn't totally out of the ordinary for cold weather and high speed.
The EPA rated range is notoriously optimistic in real world conditions, as the EPA test conditions do not account for today's high speed limits, nor do they account for significant inclement weather.
Good to know but with speed limits 65-70 I will not go below. Simply unsafe. As for the weather that plays a role as well. Tesla looked at my logs and blame Autopilot and sentry (while driving??)Seems okay to me. 70-80 MPH will really chew through the electrons. If you want anywhere close to the EPA rated range, you need to keep it below 60 MPH and have favorable, warm weather. Summer time will treat you much better.
Totally agree regarding speed. I’m always in the 70-80 MPH range unless I’m cutting it close on range. Adjust your expectations accordingly and you’ll be fine.Good to know but with speed limits 65-70 I will not go below. Simply unsafe. As for the weather that plays a role as well. Tesla looked at my logs and blame Autopilot and sentry (while driving??)
No one is telling you you have to drive slower! That's not what was said. These discussions usually go this way:Good to know but with speed limits 65-70 I will not go below. Simply unsafe.
I think the simple way to solve this is for Tesla to lower expectations. No one seems to be able to get the range indicated, in any situation. So my expectations were already low- I bought one that has 405 range, expecting 300 worst case, and got closer to 274. There is no way to fix disappointment, other than setting expectations properly. So far I love everything about the car except these things:No one is telling you you have to drive slower! That's not what was said. These discussions usually go this way:
1. I'm getting bad efficiency. Why?
2. You're driving fast.
3. But it's not safe to drive (low number) mph!
4. No one is telling you you have to. We are just informing you that's why the efficiency is bad.
You're welcome to drive 90 mph or 100 mph or whatever you want to. This is just information that the EPA efficiency ratings are calculated for lower speeds and are pretty optimistic, so if you go faster, you're not going to match that "rated miles" value 1-to-1. It'll be worse, and you may have to charge longer at stops when traveling, but that's fine.
...except for the people who do. I've gotten it sometimes. People have gotten over 600 miles from certain tests, so that would fit within "in any situation".No one seems to be able to get the range indicated, in any situation.
So my expectations were already low- I bought one that has 405 range, expecting 300 worst case, and got closer to 274. There is no way to fix disappointment, other than setting expectations properly.
Hmm? This is interesting. Compromise on whose driving style? Oooohhh, right--yours! So it's your specific driving style (the guy who went for the super sports car Plaid version) that is causing not being able to meet EPA efficiency conditions. Mystery solved.Compromise on driving style to get range
Ha! Oh yes they do. There have been multiple law suits against gas car companies for their exaggerated mpg figures.(gas cars did not have this problem
Drove about 140 miles this week and the temps were higher- upper 60's and 70's and ended up with closer to 350 miles range (extrapolated) without changing driving style at all. Bang on and I can live with that.Totally agree about the more recent efficiency games.
But also, OP has new car (assumption) and there is some break in. Especially tires.
And for sure 40 degrees is a big hit. And misting doesn't help - especially if that means he needed heat with little solar gain.
So will probably get closer to 320 real world in most conditions. Not 400 but over his expectations.
Many posters that complain of range have larger tires and don't adjust for it. Most forum folks are more car oriented and tend to upsize tires and get performance models. So while it was an incorrect assumption, it was a perfectly reasonable one.
The other issue is that range is all types of driving. But the reality is we generally only care about range on the highway. That isn't the way the numbers are designed. The EPA should change that but it isn't currently the system. So some downgrading will usually be needed.
Really we should have a winter 70 mph number and a summer 70 mph number. Say 30 degrees and 80 degrees. Force the manufacturer to game based on those numbers. Hard to test based on real world conditions since constant temperature never happens, and humidity matters too.