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Tesla should be ashamed that they can't stop the car from hitting something while about to hit something (or someone). Same for the front.Well, in a real bummer, our two-week old MYP has had an unfortunately meeting with a concrete car parking pole during a reverse park into a perpendicular parking spot. The post-accident analysis has brought up a number of issues that contributed to this:
(1) Reversing camera guidelines are off by about 30-50cm. I'd appreciate if others could test this to see if this is "normal" for this vehicle or if mine is just off. Park the car on flat ground, turn the wheel full lock to the left or right. Place an object on the floor just outside of the guidelines a few metres back on the inside corner, in a location where the guidelines say you shouldn't crash into that object. Then reverse without rotating the steering wheel. In my vehicle, the car runs over the object. This was what led to the reversing accident. My previous vehicles (Lexus x 3) were all spot on; you could trust those lines, and I expected the same again. However, the Tesla told me I'd miss the pole, but it was wrong.
(2) Side mirror not recalling correct position on selecting reverse gear. I had set up my left side mirror position to tilt down & inwards to see the side of the car while in reverse, and saved them to my profile. However, on placing the vehicle into reverse, it doesn't recall that position. Instead, it just tilt down, still pointing outwards, so I can't see the left side of the car.
(3) Side cameras are hard to use in an indoor carpark with poor lighting. There's no depth perception as to how far away objects are. Perhaps this becomes easier with time, but right now they are very hard to understand.
(4) Using the accelerator at parking speeds is still not second nature. Previous decades of driving automatic vehicles means I'm used to my foot feathering the brake while parking. In an emergency stop, just push down hard. Now, my foot is on the accelerator during parking manoeuvres. This is fine when everything is calm, but when people in the car suddenly start yelling "stop!" & there's a moment of panic, the reaction was to push down hard momentarily before realising "oops, I'm not on the brake like I'm used to", and then moving to the other pedal, by which time it was too late. I'm sure this will eventually become second nature, but it's not there yet.
Items (1) & (2) are software problems. Especially item (1). That's really bad to be off so far. If you're going to put guidelines, they'd better be accurate. Otherwise, don't put them at all. It's better not to have any at all, than to have wrong ones. Ultimately, it's driver's responsibility, I'm happy to own up to it as a learning experience, & I'm thankful it was a pole & not a person, but trusting the poor camera guidelines alignment definitely contributed to the accident.
I've got a service appointment with Tesla next week & I"ll get them to check this out. And later, the panel beaters to replace the rear bumper & repair/replace the rear quarter panel, & respray the whole lot. In the meantime, can anyone else test (1) & (2) on their vehicles to see if this is "normal" or if mine has a fault?
Like you, I’m pretty much ignoring the lines now. As per my first post, if you draw lines there, they should be correct. It’s better to have no lines than wrong lines. Speed wasn’t an issue in this accident. It was absolutely crawling speed due to poor visibility until my point (4) in the first post, when there was a momentary short lurch. The pole was visible in the central rear mirror but the view appeared to show that the vehicle would miss it. As to why the side mirrors & cameras didn’t see the pole, see the first post.
That's pretty much it. The central reversing camera showed I wasn't going to hit it. The side reversing camera was useless in the lighting. The mirror was useless because it doesn't recall the saved position (well, caveat… I could have moved my head 50cm to the left to use it but then not been able to see in the central mirror or right mirror, or gone through the menus to reposition it every time I reverse).That's a real shame about your car. Sounds like a few people are thinking you didn't see the pole, but you did, just that the reversing camera showed your tracking as not going to hit it??
This is the smart thing to program. My Y does the opposite.Ford Ranger are quite shocking especially if it's not a straight reverse in. If I'm turning to reverse in it will show that I will hit things when in fact I can see that I won't
I've tested it, unfortunately after the accident. And my car is definitely out of alignment. I'd appreciate if others could also test in a similar way (see the opening post) to get a feel if this is just my vehicle, or just the way all of these cars are.It would be interesting to do some tests with your car and some witches hats to see if it is out
That's interesting. I fear now is not the time to do this. I'm going to let Tesla do its diagnostics, confirm the problem & work out a solution. I don't really want my own fingers to add to any confusion here.I found this How to access Tesla's service menu on You Tube. The guy talks about recalibrating the cameras etc...
In this case, no lines at all would have been better than inaccurate lines.At least the lines turn with the steering, unlike some ICE's I've driven recently
And also how I see it. All the points in your post are acknowledged above.Ultimately, the driver is responsible. That's how the insurance co and Tesla will see it.
I tried to get the footage when I got home, but it hadn't saved. It was a low speed crash, so I guess it didn't prompt the systems to save it as a critical video clip.Maybe you an put up a snapshot of what the back camera showed from your crash footage?
Not at all. See my previous posts.To be honest, I get the sense you are blaming the car for the driver not driving with sufficient care.
Lines seem good on my S. They track where the outside edge of the tyre will go. I never rely on them for close work though - mirrors are your friend.I cannot test because we have a model S, but....
If only the mirrors would point in the right direction…mirrors are your friend.
And yet... the upcoming auto-park feature on non-USS vehicles will get all its information from the cameras...This is what I found in the Rear Facing Camera section:
The disclaimer will still be therewill get all its information from the cameras...
I’m wondering how tesla are going to solve all of those issues if autonomous vision is the goal. Seems like they are well aware of the limitations.As always, I referred to the Tesla owners manual for pardon the pun Guidance.
This is what I found in the Rear Facing Camera section:
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Time I suspect. Hype won't be enoughhow tesla are going to solve all of those issues if autonomous vision is the goal.
haha wow same, I had just put on a new refurbished chrome bumper to my Datto and then promptly backed into a short post.I learnt the hard way when I was in my late teens reversing my old Datto.... I learnt that I didn't have eyes in the back of my head when I reversed into an object and dented my first car. My first prang and it stuck in my head, never forgot that lesson. Since, I am always very careful when reversing. Double check the mirrors and reverse the car like you are reversing a truck!