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McHoffa
CyberOwners
Ok, maybe "long in the tooth" was taking it too far. I LOVE the Model S, but it would be nice to have just minor updates to the styling inside and out to modernize it. Look at a 911... basically the same style for decades, but they have given it minor and major facelifts here and there. Keeps it fresh for new models, and gives the early models more charm.
Why shouldn't we have high expectations from Model 3 ?
I am aware that it will not be fully loaded at 35k and I don't even want that, but I want it to be a great car !
Elon Musk stated a few years ago that because the car market is already taken by brands that been here like forever and are very trusted, like AUDI,BMW,MB etc., if you are a new car company, your cars can't be worse, or not even same quality as them to enter the market, your cars would have to be far much better (take MS or MX for example, they both have some tehnology that was never seen before in a production car, only in concepts).As the Model 3 will fight bmw 3 series (and C-class and A4) I expect the Model 3 to be much better than a 3 series, C-class, A4 in every aspect:interior/exterior design , tehnology , standard equipment, and so on.
As TESLA is a new car company, people would have to choose model 3 over 3-series,c-class,a4, and for this model 3 will have to be great!(just like the MS,and MX are for the luxury car segment)
As Model 3 will be their first trully mass production car, they really can't go wrong with it in any aspects
So yeah, I do have high expectations from model 3 !
There is nothing long in the tooth about the Model S. Ridiculous comment -- the car is beautiful and looks better than the X (IMO).
Chevy offers a dashcam in the Corvette. Why would there be any legal concerns with it?
I obviously don't know whether there will be a facelift or not. On the one hand, it makes sense to align the styling of the nose with the Model X, and there are a number of features on the Model X that presumably will migrate over to the Model S.
On the other hand, facelifts take engineering resources, and I assume most everyone over there has been beavering away on the Model X (and will now have to start working on the Model 3 in earnest). Does it make sense to devote the time/money to doing what is essentially a cosmetic upgrade? Only Tesla knows the answer to that.
sillydriver
Member
This^ is a good point. Unlike most cars, even exotic cars, where a new design is released at full sales volume and then trends flat, the model S has had exponential growth. So even if it's been around for a few years, most MS have been sold in the past year or 18 months. Thus in terms of what you see on the street, the design is only a year or 18 months old and does not look stale to potential buyers.
McHoffa
CyberOwners
I think it looks MUCH better than the X! To me, the X was a "Wow! It's new! and those doors!" I think when I first saw it the nostalgia of the DeLorean was playing with me. After some thought, though, I wouldn't want those doors simply due to more likelihood of failure. Also, from the back, the X looks like a chunky S. The S is what I call a sexy car, and that's why I compared to the 911, a car that hasn't changed a whole lot in half a century, but has had minor enough updates to keep it fresh and new.
If the 3 doesn't blow my socks off in the looks department, and doesn't offer some close to Model S performance, then I will definitely turn back to the S.
No, it was in a thread either here or at TM forums. I do remember reading it, though! lol
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Oh please! We are supposed to censor ourselves for the greater good of Tesla? Pffft!
Nigel Tufnel
Member
I definitely want a dashcam in my future Tesla orders. Integrated with the 17" etc. and USB SSD for extraction of the videos would be great. If they could mimic the BlackVue functional but with Tesla quality, I'd pay $2000 for it.
ATC@LWSK
Member
Few days ago someone posted a photoshop-ed MX front to the Model S, and both vehicles were put side to side (in white color). Anyone remember which thread it was, as I can't seem to find it.
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EternalChampion
Member
@MartinAustin
Maybe it drives X sales up, padding Tesla's pockets even more as there will likely be some increased margin on the X sales.
My point is, your post is just as devoid of facts as the one you're criticizing.
Maybe it drives X sales up, padding Tesla's pockets even more as there will likely be some increased margin on the X sales.
My point is, your post is just as devoid of facts as the one you're criticizing.
You can buy a Shimano action cam and put it on your dash for $300. http://www.digitaltrends.com/photog...ew-sport-camera-with-ant-wireless-technology/ It has built in wifi and live view, so, you could probably figure out how to do all that at a fraction of the cost.
Vince Cobelo
Member
Here is my list on why Tesla won't make a major change to the Model S in '16 or '17.
1. Model X is overwhelming production capacity right now why cause a new rush of orders for a redesigned MS.
2. Model 3 is going to do the same thing when it is released.
3. Design Engineers, R&D, suppliers have been so focused on bringing the MX and M3 to market who the heck would have time to do a major MS redesign.
4. Even though Telsa isn't your typical car manufacturer but American car companies typically roll at least 5 years before a redesign. European and Asian even longer. If Telsa holds true to that in any way shape or form it'd be 2018 at earliest.
5. Why in the heck would you redesign a car that is getting accolades and awards (Car and Driver) year after year and is increasing in sales volume.
1. Model X is overwhelming production capacity right now why cause a new rush of orders for a redesigned MS.
2. Model 3 is going to do the same thing when it is released.
3. Design Engineers, R&D, suppliers have been so focused on bringing the MX and M3 to market who the heck would have time to do a major MS redesign.
4. Even though Telsa isn't your typical car manufacturer but American car companies typically roll at least 5 years before a redesign. European and Asian even longer. If Telsa holds true to that in any way shape or form it'd be 2018 at earliest.
5. Why in the heck would you redesign a car that is getting accolades and awards (Car and Driver) year after year and is increasing in sales volume.
HankLloydRight
No Roads
Totally this.
The OP isn't even a "rumor".. it's just personal speculation.
And the stated reasons don't even make sense.
benf
Member
I'm sorry, but they just have significantly bigger fish to fry. "Refreshing" a car that most people have still never seen is so far down on the priority list I don't know where to start. After the Model 3 is in production (2017-2018) you might see something, but I highly doubt they'd do anything like that this spring. They've finally got the Model S to a point where they can manufacture it fairly smoothly and hopefully, at some point at a profit. Why throw a wrench in the works?
A new front bumper or an upgraded center console screen is not going to get ICEV owners to suddenly forget about "range anxiety" and all of the other hypothetical problems they foresee with an EV, and Elon and team know that. Save the time, effort, and expense and actually do something that will help convert ICEV owners to EV.
The focus right now is on fully autonomous driving and 500+ mile range battery packs, not front bumpers and headlights.
A new front bumper or an upgraded center console screen is not going to get ICEV owners to suddenly forget about "range anxiety" and all of the other hypothetical problems they foresee with an EV, and Elon and team know that. Save the time, effort, and expense and actually do something that will help convert ICEV owners to EV.
The focus right now is on fully autonomous driving and 500+ mile range battery packs, not front bumpers and headlights.
