Worked great for them in Afghanistan and Chechneya...oh wait. They lost the country in 1 war and had a small city state defeat them once and cost them tens of thousands of casualties in the next one. Ukraine will become the death of Russia if it goes to a insurgency type war. compared to chechnya it is 100 x the land area, 40x the population, adjacent to friendly EU countries that would accept a govt in exile, refugee (training) camps, etc etc. It would take a million person army in occupation and the complete destruction of the country. Russia would be completely bankrupt.
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Russia/Ukraine conflict
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Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
Ukraine offers Russian soldiers money and amnesty to surrender, or says they can 'die in an unjust war' | Blaze Media
While war rages in Ukraine, the country is offering Russian soldiers money and a promise of amnesty should they lay down their arms and surrender, Ukraine's defense ministry said Monday. “We offer Russian soldiers a choice: to die in an unjust war, or full amnesty and 5 million rubles of...
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I guess if they ever make it to the US, 5 Million Rubles will buy a hamburger at McDonalds, but they will need more cash if they want friesUkraine offers Russian soldiers money and amnesty to surrender, or says they can 'die in an unjust war' | Blaze Media
While war rages in Ukraine, the country is offering Russian soldiers money and a promise of amnesty should they lay down their arms and surrender, Ukraine's defense ministry said Monday. “We offer Russian soldiers a choice: to die in an unjust war, or full amnesty and 5 million rubles of...
.Not saying it will work out well ….for anyone …. In the long run. Just that’s how what’s left of Putin’s mind works.
SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
No, it means the possessor suffers from delusions.
He is unhinged. He’s being humiliated. He has tactical low yield nuclear weapons.
He needs to pump up his strong man persona. He’s going to kill people. It’s what he does.
I wish tgat wasn’t where this seems to be headed but it is.
Estimates are Ukraine could run short on ammunition in a week.
Russia is likely moving to cut off the resupply just after it comes over the border from Poland. Etc.
He doesn’t need air cover to put artillery and missile into cities.
Statement of ICC Prosecutor, Karim A.A. Khan QC, on the Situation in Ukraine: “I have decided to proceed with opening an investigation.”
ICC is the International Criminal Court
ICC is the International Criminal Court
How things stand at present, I think Ukraine needs a bit more help just to get through the next week.
Specifically more drones to take out the convoy vehicles, and something that can shoot down the fighter bombers..
A ceasefire would also be handy...
I think the border with Poland is big enough to find some areas where additional supplies could be smuggled in...
The likelihood is Russia stepping up a bigger and better organised attack over the next few days to gain leverage in the next round of negotiations
If Ukraine can hang on and even counter reasonably effectively, that means no relative advantage since the last round of negotiations...
Being optimistic I think Ukraine and NATO have a plan to cope with what is coming... I say that because the Ukraine government has stopped asking for a no fly zone, they don't seem quite as desperate for help as they were previously...
Still a big shame that it is progressing to the next phase, it could be very ugly.
nwdiver
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No, if the US is directly involved that is world war 3 and no one gets out ok. Not the Ukrainians, not the Americans, Poles, British, whoever.
Need to keep yanking economic and diplomatic levers and not let up this week, month or decade.
If Russia pulls this off we cannot allow the more craven western businesses to creep back in in three years. We need to shut off gas lines, not buy their oil…seize Russian oligarch assets and just shut down their economy. Then …. They will eventually deal with Putin themselves.
China, corrupt and evil as ever, will do business with him but no one else should ….
I think the EU and NATO have managed to blur the boundaries
Is supplying defensive weapons and ammunition being involved?
Russia doesn't like it, but Russia also has no desire to escalate things to an open war with NATO.
If Russia can't beat Ukraine with sprinkling of NATO equipment and training, what hope do they have against NATO?
NATO and the EU have played this very well so far, they are pushing the limits of what they can get away with.
The only better option would have been to some how convince Putin not to invade.
nwdiver
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We'd be no more involved than we are now. We're sending aid not troops. We already sent Javlins.
And it looks like 'Ukrainian' fighters will be operating out of Poland with presumably 'Ukrainian' pilots.
nwdiver
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How would CRAM be any different than Anti-Tank weapons? If anything Anti-Tank would be MORE provocative. CRAM generally doesn't kill anyone.
I wounder how off-road electric motor bikes would work as a transport for Ukrainian ambush squads?
Quiet/fast and perhaps less of a heat signal to trace, winding through those forests near the roads they would be hard to hit/catch.. especially if they threw off a few heat source decoys..
Quiet/fast and perhaps less of a heat signal to trace, winding through those forests near the roads they would be hard to hit/catch.. especially if they threw off a few heat source decoys..
nwdiver
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That's basically how the Japanese took Singapore in WW2. The bikes weren't even electric. Some just had rims. Rumor is that some British soldiers panicked mistaking the sound of a metal rim on stone road for tanks.
Bicycle Infantry
As I conjectured upthread, if Belarus actively joins Russia, why wouldn’t another country bordering Ukraine more directly support them. Russia brought this on themselves by leveraging Belarus.
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