So it would seem. With no stated long or short position, and no interest in purchasing one of Tesla's products, the question remains: Why is "tftf" here, posting so actively, carefully and with such length about the shortcomings of Tesla Motors?
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So it would seem. With no stated long or short position, and no interest in purchasing one of Tesla's products, the question remains: Why is "tftf" here, posting so actively, carefully and with such length about the shortcomings of Tesla Motors?
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Rick Munarriz at Motley Fool is predicting Tesla moves higher this week (see "3 Predictions for the New Week" Nov. 23). This summer he was negative about the prospects for rapidly-rising Tesla stock, but now he has changed his tune and is predicting an up week.
This prediction is in tune with the Warren Buffet's quote: "The best thing that happens to us is when a great company gets into temporary trouble… We want to buy them when they’re on the operating table."
This prediction is in tune with the Warren Buffet's quote: "The best thing that happens to us is when a great company gets into temporary trouble… We want to buy them when they’re on the operating table."
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The original post and this one should probably go in its own thread, but I couldn't resist referencing this specifically (since some of us are visual):
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This is the same point I've tired to make in a couple posts regarding people like tftf, I think you did a better job. I can't stand reading all the negativity, go put your time into a stock/company you believe in. I think part of the reason people like tftf want to see the company fail and the stock implode is that they didn't catch the ride up and the only way they will feel better is to see it crash so they can say "told you so" and be relieved of their regret.
It is those who missed the run up in TSLA and then when it got over $100, they thought it was too expensive and started shorting it. So not only did they miss out, they are now on the wrong side of the trade and losing money on the way up to $190. It makes people bitter, so they look for revenge and hope that Tesla fails.
If you are American, then you should be rooting for Tesla to succeed. If you are rooting for Tesla to fail then I have no sympathy for you at all.
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Good point. I think it's human nature. I didn't sell my tsla as early as you but did so on first news of 3rd incident. As we all know, price dropped quickly the next day. I found myself rooting against the stock because I wanted my play to be validated and I wanted to buy back in cheaper, I felt dirty for doing it because I'm 100% behind tesla. Like you I have started buying some shares again, feels good to be openly behind the company and stock. The difference between people like tftf and myself is I did not start posting negatively or spreading FUD to improve my position, I simply sat back and watched.
Raffy.Roma
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IMO you don't have to be American to root for Tesla to succeed. Tesla is doing a revolutionary work in the automobile field and for this reason I root for Tesla to succeed even if I am not American.
So everybody should root for Tesla to succeed IMO.
Even though I have been buying TSLA at $118-$139, I am still quietly rooting for TSLA to go down so that I can buy more cheaper. I am in it for the long haul and the lower it goes the better it will be for me. I am not spreading FUD though to get the stock to go down. I am still praising the company and support the bull case. It is just that in the short run the sentiment has turned bearish and there could be more downside until we get a big positive catalyst.
I agree that everyone should root for Tesla to succeed. I singled out Americans, because I could somewhat understand if for example a German wanted Tesla to fail in order for BMW or Volkswagen to dominate the EV landscape; not many people are like that but it is a remote possibility.
On the other hand, if you are American there is no reason to be against Tesla.
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Thanks again justthateasy for being so specific and sharing your insights. Very, very much appreciated. I think your posture and strategy is 100% right on.
Scottcouto,
You have posted two posts in your time here on TMC, and there's a disturbing pattern:
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Both the quotes compliment justthateasy and repeat his quotes that are quite bearish in the short run. Do you think we don't see the game you're playing here?
You have posted two posts in your time here on TMC, and there's a disturbing pattern:
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Both the quotes compliment justthateasy and repeat his quotes that are quite bearish in the short run. Do you think we don't see the game you're playing here?
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Thank you for your honesty sleepyhead. I really appreciate your selfless contribution to this site. It's helped me out immensley. I only wish I had found this site many months ago.
I'm in the same situation having purchased at $137. Last week REALLY hurt. I thought for sure 132 was the bottom as did many others. I was floored (or should I say pissed) when TSLA blew right through $132 to current levels in a day with no negative catalyst. I'm now seriously concerned about this whole NFLX 2011 comparison scenario I'm reading about. I have zero confidence in $119 as a bottom. The chart looks eerily similar to the chart right before the drop from $132 to $119. It's frustrating that every little thing that involves TSLA is on the front page and is usually spun negatively by the media if possible. Any negative catalyst with the ridiculous timing of the 3rd fire can't happen before Q4 ER. I'm bullish TSLA and love everything about the company, but am also secretly rooting for the stock to drop so that I can buy more at a much lower price. I just can't see this $119 'support' holding. $132 was supposed to hold. The same people saying $132 was definitely the bottom are now saying $119 is definitely the bottom. I feel like if I purchase more in the $120's, then I'll wake next week to see the stock at $100 or less. I like what justthateasy had to say and I'm planning to follow his advice and look at buying again down in the 80's, with enough reserves to buy again if it goes lower and with a strong hope that GenIII and the giga-factory play out as envisioned by Elon.
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Disturbing? Give me a break. I'm currently upside down hundreds of thousands of dollars because I purchased at $137. In just 1-day. I'm looking for objective insight and not subjective. I'm thanking those that are bulls, but are being realistic short term and I now agree with. sleepyhead and justthateasy. I wish I would have had someone giving that kind of insight in the $130's. Would have saved me a whole lot of short term pain.Good catch.
Note: scottcouto changed his name to MSMX2014 this evening. He may change it again. The post two above this one belongs to the party in question.
Hmm, if you have lost at least $200,000 on stock purchased at $137 and it has fallen 16 points, you must have paid at least:
200,000/16=12,500 shares x $137= $1,712,500 for those shares and you only now have gotten around to looking at the TMC forum. Further, you are actively trying to scare away investors with your undeniably bearish comments on a very public forum. Sir, you have the most unusual money management methodology I have ever observed. I suggest mutual funds as a safer alternative.
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The mods may have to change the name of this thread to the official Tesla FUD thread. Signal to noise ratio used to be so good here, but now with all of these new posters it's deteriorated significantly with what is obviously paid shills for god only knows who. My apologies to any new posters who actually have something worthy of posting in this thread.
Whle it annoys me the extra noise from this FUD on the forum, it ultimately makes me buy more when I see more of these shills come out. It's a trading signal to me that another short squeeze is around the corner.
Every week there are perhaps 100-200 more high net worth investors buying TSLA (I'm estimating 40-60% of people who buy a Model S become an investor and half of those people are high net worth investors)...this is an incredible buying opportunity and the fact that these shorts all just piled on and are spreading massive FUD is the chance of a lifetime to invest in what has a chance to become the greatest American company of the 21st century.
While I hate seeing their annoying comments, I know it's only a matter of time until they lose. Whether its this week, next week, next month, or next year when the battery supply constraints are relieved.
Buy now and good things come to these who wait.
+1. Whether you buy now as many are doing..or buy a little now and wait for the 'possible' 200MA of $109 you will get a great long term return. It is difficult to play the volatility with options but as a long term buy we are at levels I personally thought we would never see again.
Disclosure: I personally thought Q3ER would lead to a blow out up and I was mistaken but I believe that the fundamentals of TM are virtually unchanged and has been mentioned, when (not if) the supply constraints are lifted...look out.
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