Right there with you. Bought some a couple days ago. adding today....just a little. I am trying to DCA in if I can.Oh good. I wanted to buy those 2017 LEAPs, time to go shopping.
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Right there with you. Bought some a couple days ago. adding today....just a little. I am trying to DCA in if I can.Oh good. I wanted to buy those 2017 LEAPs, time to go shopping.
Forget about perfection (at least I usually do :smile: ) At 40, or 90, the stock was not priced according to the company's plans. Now it is. Three years ago they basically had the same plans as they have today. The game for the next couple of years will be all about just meeting the targets, not seriously beating them.
I strongly disagree with your POV, but it takes both sides to make a market. I think the market hasn't fully priced in how good the Model X is and the surge in demand once it's released. I don't think the implications of the Gigafactory are at all understood, not only in improving Tesla's gross margin but also in opening a whole new business in stationary storage. The market isn't expecting perfect execution, or there would have been a much bigger hit when the factory shut-down took twice as long as planned.As far as I can see, there is no longer any meaningful short to middle term upside potential in the stock (and I mean 1 - 2 years). Current stock valuation implies that everything goes as planned, and it never does. When I first bought at 40ish, their plans were not priced in. Now they are.
I'll be sellling all of my positions at around 255 or so (if we reach that level in the next month), and go on to other opportunities. But I'll still enjoy driving the car, that's for sure!
Three years ago, superchargers had not only been conceived; they were a crucial part of the business plan. Tesla have been having a consistent and more or less unchanging business plan for the last years, and cudos to them for that.Three years ago, the hope was to get 20k/year demand for Model S, Superchargers hadn't been conceived of, and no one had ever heard the word "gigafactory" before. One could argue that the basic plans haven't changed since the Secret Tesla Master plan was unveiled in 2006.
No one can predict the future and it's your money, I just wanted to let newer members know that this "overvalued" and "priced to perfection" stuff has been repeated over and over by bears for more than a year while TSLA continues to gain value.
Tesla has a "dual listing" on the Frankfurt exchange. That means its primary listing is NASDAQ but it also can be traded on FRA. As I understand it, the dual listing status doesn't change that the primary regulatory oversight and requirements remains solely with NASDAQ and the US SEC.Does anyone know why Tesla is also traded on the Frankfurt stock exchange? Might this be intentional, to allow Volkwagen or BMW to secretly acquire a big position in Tesla without having to disclose it?
http://www.hengeler.com/fileadmin/m...requirements_for_signficant_shareholdings.pdf
Frankfurt Stock Exchange dual listing
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Three years ago, superchargers had not only been conceived; they were a crucial part of the business plan.
Who knows, you may be right, but I'm betting the other way.Three years ago, superchargers had not only been conceived; they were a crucial part of the business plan. Tesla have been having a consistent and more or less unchanging business plan for the last years, and cudos to them for that.
The point is: The business plan is now fully discounted into the stock price. The market expects them to succeed, big time. I am not saing that this expectation is wrong, or that the stock is overvalued. I'm just saying that I think the stock is now fairly priced, and will no longer outperform the market.
I'll be sellling all of my positions at around 255 or so (if we reach that level in the next month), and go on to other opportunities. But I'll still enjoy driving the car, that's for sure!
Conversely, I'm holding as I think the run rate Tesla will achieve in one year is not priced in. The "priced for perfection" story is not true IMO.
There is no way that all of their plans are now fully priced in. The market does not work in absolutes. There is always some % of investors out there who doubt TSLA and those that believe in them and everyone in between. This is why the stock price goes up and down. To argue that the stock won't go above $255 because everything is priced now is ridiculous or just typical bearish FUD on a down day.Curious if this is a realization you've just come to? Monday/Tuesday would have been a great time to get out above 255.
Tesla has a "dual listing" on the Frankfurt exchange. That means its primary listing is NASDAQ but it also can be traded on FRA. As I understand it, the dual listing status doesn't change that the primary regulatory oversight and requirements remains solely with NASDAQ and the US SEC.
Here's the bit about dual listing from the FRA exchange website:
Does anyone know why Tesla is also traded on the Frankfurt stock exchange? Might this be intentional, to allow Volkwagen or BMW to secretly acquire a big position in Tesla without having to disclose it?
http://www.hengeler.com/fileadmin/medien/broschueren/New_German_disclosure_requirements_for_signficant_shareholdings.pdf
Yup, it would, but nobody hit my sell order placed a bit above trading levels those days. So I lowered it a notch, but only a notch, since we're not giving it away, are we? :wink:Curious if this is a realization you've just come to? Monday/Tuesday would have been a great time to get out above 255.
The particular somebody who pulled that stunt is the former CEO of Porsche, Wendelin Wiedeking. For those who are curious, this is an article telling that story. Worth a read.I sure as hell hope so, and I hope it goes the same way it went last time somebody tried this in the automotive space.
(But it wont)
OK guys lets take a break from manipulation talk. A good Q4 report will move the stock. Execution will help that greatly:
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OK guys lets take a break from manipulation talk. A good Q4 report will move the stock. Execution will help that greatly:
This is the P85D delivery thread:
Tracking P85D delivery thread - Page 61
Production is starting.