andrerodpt
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If after today's news $TSLA ends in the green I'll be nothing short of amazed...
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If after today's news $TSLA ends in the green I'll be nothing short of amazed...
Yeah I wasn't saying that's even really on the table, just that considering the recent media there might be some who would interpret the Mobileye drop a sign of dropping autopilot too.
MitchJi
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Is it possible for enough of the large shorts to get out soon enough to avoid a substantial upswing (SP above ~$300) when the big institutions pull in their shares? I don't think it is possible, but if I'm wrong that's the only way I can see it happening.
Citizen-T
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I'm a software engineer too, and I was about to write this exact same response. This should be a non-issue. Even when there was only one camera system, such a layer of abstraction would have been necessary just for testing purposes. This is a minor inconvenience and something that we deal with all the time.
As one example, my current project supports multiple database vendors. That's one of hundreds of things that can vary in our current system. We literally do this stuff all day long, it is software architecture 101.
colettimj
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From this Tesla 'Correction to article' posted (I believe) in Dec 2015:
"We should also clarify that Tesla’s autopilot system was designed and developed in-house. Were this simply a matter of repackaging a vendor’s technology, as claimed in the article, we would not be unique in offering this groundbreaking experience in production vehicles. If other car companies could meet or exceed the Tesla product by buying an off-the-shelf solution, they would do so.
Tesla Autopilot includes radar, ultrasonics, GPS/nav, cameras and real-time connectivity to Tesla servers for fleet learning. Going forward, we will continue to use the most advanced component technologies, such as MobilEye’s vision chip, in our vehicles. Their part is the best in the world at what it does and that is why we use it."
Edit: Key phrase that now seems very relevant, "we will continue to use the most advanced component technologies, such as MobilEye’s vision chip"
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larmor
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So he was going 74mph not the claimed 90+ that an eyewitness and the truck driver claimed and AP was in use. Other than that we have no idea if the other claimed details are true (movie playing).
2virgule5
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no one knows yet but clearly most of the software will be theirs moving forward, that's probably the price to pay to stay ahead of competition.Chips may be future nvidia stuff...
The main takeaway for me is that the final report will come out in 12 months. LOL what on earth are they doing for 12 months? Gov't agencies crack me up.
MitchJi
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jhm
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This is interesting. It suggests to me that shorts are trying to suppress SolarCity more heavily than Tesla. They've got to keep the spread wide.
Currently the spread is quite tight at $3.63, and both stocks to start to take off.
Thinking about autopilot, Tesla, and Mobileye, it occurs to me that if Tesla's system was really just a repackaging of Mobileye's tech, then the new Mercedes E-class with the latest Mobileye hardware implementation should be a much better automated driver - at least, the distance between the Tesla Autopilot implementation and the Mercedes DrivePilot should be much, much closer. Clearly, that's not the case. Given no inside information on these systems, I am guessing that the Mobileye stack has an analogue to game systems, where there is a GPU and a stack of software technologies like Metal/OpenGL/DirectX all the way through to a game engine like Unity with a physics engine and so forth. So basically, Mobileye provides hardware and a reference software implementation and the Mercedes DrivePilot is much closer to the reference implementation. Tesla basically sources the equivalent to the GPU and some elements of the software stack, but basically has written all of the rest themselves. It remains to be seen, if we ever get to see it, how much of the stack Tesla ended up using and how much can be directly replaced with, say, parts and pieces of NVIDIA's DRIVE PX/PX2. It is interesting to listen to geohot's interview where he completely dismisses Mobileye - matter of fact, he's long NVIDIA and short MBLY. Of course, he's tremendously biased with his own automated driving implementation coming to market, but his insights are more forthcoming than I've seen elsewhere. In the interview, he says that Musk offered him $12 million to replace Mobileye.
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3Victoria
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There is more details of the Florida crash here: http://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Pages/HWY16FH018-preliminary.aspx
racer26
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Other than official confirmation that it wasn't 90+mph.
74mph in a 65, while speeding, isn't outlandishly fast.
Tesla already told us publicly that neither the driver nor AP engaged the brake, which would lead one to believe that he had AP set for 74mph. Which, if my experience with the way people drive is valid -- pretty standard. Set cruise control for just under 10mph over to avoid police attention.
My view of what happened remains unchanged: Mr. Brown (i think that was his name...) had become somewhat complacent in his usage of AP, and was not paying sufficient attention to the roadway ahead of him to react to changing conditions. The semi illegally turned in front of him, and both he and AP failed to react. The semi's fault for making an illegal turn, but Mr. Brown should have at least been paying enough attention to attempt to brake.
74 mph is 108 feet per second. A stopped tractor trailer in a left turn lane cannot cross the fast lane of a highway and get its cab ~25ft past the slow lane and onto the cross street in less than about 4-5 seconds. He should have had at least 500-1000 ft to react and avoid the collision. According to this: 2014 Tesla Model S 60 - Instrumented Test a Tesla S can stop from 70mph to zero in ~160-175ft.
74mph in a 65, while speeding, isn't outlandishly fast.
Tesla already told us publicly that neither the driver nor AP engaged the brake, which would lead one to believe that he had AP set for 74mph. Which, if my experience with the way people drive is valid -- pretty standard. Set cruise control for just under 10mph over to avoid police attention.
My view of what happened remains unchanged: Mr. Brown (i think that was his name...) had become somewhat complacent in his usage of AP, and was not paying sufficient attention to the roadway ahead of him to react to changing conditions. The semi illegally turned in front of him, and both he and AP failed to react. The semi's fault for making an illegal turn, but Mr. Brown should have at least been paying enough attention to attempt to brake.
74 mph is 108 feet per second. A stopped tractor trailer in a left turn lane cannot cross the fast lane of a highway and get its cab ~25ft past the slow lane and onto the cross street in less than about 4-5 seconds. He should have had at least 500-1000 ft to react and avoid the collision. According to this: 2014 Tesla Model S 60 - Instrumented Test a Tesla S can stop from 70mph to zero in ~160-175ft.
Tesla stated in their blog that the brake was not applied. +9 mph is often what I set my cruise control on highways.
I think this is pretty interesting - Jaguar moving to EV
www.automobilemag.com/news/xk-replacement-c-x75-supercar-programs-axed/?sm_id=social_aumomotortrendhub_MotorTrend_20160725_64168256&adbid=757685623624871936&adbpl=tw&adbpr=14332852
Jaguar has scrapped plans to replace the XK coupe and convertible with a 2+2 built off a stretched F-Type platform. Coventry has also decided against building a production version of the C-X75 supercar, known internally as Spectre after its cameo role in the most recent 007 film. Instead, it will build two upscale EVs: one designed to ultimately replace the XJ sedan, the other a premium SUV.
Equipped with all-wheel drive, the X590 effectively takes on Tesla’s Model S. It will come to market a full year before the first of the German luxury EVs, the lineup of which includes the Mercedes EQS sedan (to be positioned between E- and S-class) plus the Audi C e-tron and BMW 9 Series luxury coupes.
www.automobilemag.com/news/xk-replacement-c-x75-supercar-programs-axed/?sm_id=social_aumomotortrendhub_MotorTrend_20160725_64168256&adbid=757685623624871936&adbpl=tw&adbpr=14332852
Jaguar has scrapped plans to replace the XK coupe and convertible with a 2+2 built off a stretched F-Type platform. Coventry has also decided against building a production version of the C-X75 supercar, known internally as Spectre after its cameo role in the most recent 007 film. Instead, it will build two upscale EVs: one designed to ultimately replace the XJ sedan, the other a premium SUV.
Equipped with all-wheel drive, the X590 effectively takes on Tesla’s Model S. It will come to market a full year before the first of the German luxury EVs, the lineup of which includes the Mercedes EQS sedan (to be positioned between E- and S-class) plus the Audi C e-tron and BMW 9 Series luxury coupes.
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