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Should Tesla be worried about the Taycan?

Discussion in 'Electric Vehicles' started by Bill Price, Aug 12, 2019.

  1. DirtyT3sla

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    Yes that performance will be so fun at the track when you need to go plug in before the day isn't even half over
     
  2. Ludalicious

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    Public chargers. That's the travel plan. Have you seen any available public chargers in the last 6 months. I know I sure haven't unless I wanted to get in line and play with my foreskin for an hr each time.
     
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  3. Bill Price

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    Sadly............the inconvenient truth. I still have my fingers crossed though.
     
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  4. ElectricLee

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    Tesla should intro the Model S with an updated battery tech and luxury interiors soon and steal the news cycle from the Taycan.
     
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  5. tomas

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    Why? Remember, Tesla WANTS the EV competition to succeed. I think they have more critical fish to fry and I can’t see them doing a new S until 2022 earliest.
     
  6. iCharge

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    I agree it is their moat. but then it makes me wonder why elon has talked openly about sharing it with other manufacturers to 'promote' EV adoption.
    why give up ( or offer to share) your silver bullet ?
     
  7. ElectricLee

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    Elon wants to go to Mars and needs the cash.

    SpaceX to fly to Mars, Boring Company to mine and live underground building, Tesla to travel inside and on top of Mars, Nerolink to control the AI and control the workers from going crazy on Mars, etc, etc.... Or we want bragging right.
     
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  8. tomas

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    Oh, I see. Just making an S update would generate a ton of profit. Then of course they should do it!
     
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  9. PWlakewood

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    There have been talks for years about these so called tesla killers......still waiting
     
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  10. dingyibvs

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    Toyota alone has like 1500 dealerships in the US, it wouldn't be hard to make some space and put in a charging station at each dealership if they really want to invest in it. If the market is there for EVs, the dealerships will put it in themselves.

    I don't think lack of self driving is an issue for Porsche. Presumably people buy it either for the driving dynamics or the badge.

    The range is pretty pitiful though for the price point, it seems like more of a compliance car at this point.
     
  11. ash9.58

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    Dont worry about T-Em-C he has no argument that's worthy comment- What highend EVs are there? If Tesla were to build a car for what other car manufactures charge for their highend EVs Tesla could likely double the range and add creature comforts to out do all of em with change to spare.
     
  12. JohnSnowNW

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    It wouldn't matter if the Taycan was as good, or better, than Tesla's offerings. It's a single model that will be produced in such volume as to be completely irrelevant in the market.
     
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  13. Az_Rael

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    #33 Az_Rael, Aug 12, 2019
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    Is it not going to have a CCS capability? There is a 4 station CCS in Baker, so I assume a stop there would be easy enough. I think the CCS network between LA and San Fran is filled out too. It's really middle America that needs to be caught up.


    Plugshare shows availability for CCS chargers, kW, number of stations, as well as the network and costs. I believe the EVGo app also shows station availability (the Baker stations are EVGo). Pligshare also shows useful info like what floor of the garage it's on, even for Superchargers, it is a great app.

    If you have never looked at the 3rd party charging stations (which it sounds like you maybe haven't) they are always good to have as a backup plan for Tesla's network. (Once Tesla gets us a CCS adapter it will be even better). I already have cards from all the 3rd party networks and have used them fairly often during my travels.

    Current info for the Baker CCS station. Green= available. You can even get historical busy times, so you can plan to travel during less busy hours. Would be nice if Tesla added that info to our app.

    Screenshot_20190812-123757_EVgo.jpg Screenshot_20190812-123809_EVgo.jpg
     
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  14. Dutchie

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    It is the other way around, the other manufacturers have a lot of catching up to do! Last time I checked is that there is no other car that can match the specs of a 2012 Model S and Tesla progressed ever since. And while the first Telsa's had a very mediocre build quality and reliability they have come a long way. I would like to see a fair comparison between a Porsche and Tesla in terms of build quality. I think you will be hard pressed to notice any difference what so ever. In fact I bet Tesla might have even surpassed other manufacturers in that regard as per information given by Bob Lutz.
     
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    I think I could count on one hand the number of times I've seen non-Tesla public DC fast chargers actually being used along major travel routes in California.
     
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    Washington is the same way from what I've seen.
     
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    Was talking about those new Electrify America stations coming online all over the place. I tried one and it's quite amazing. It had 350kW capability, which is something the Taycan should be able to make use of. My current car can only use half of that power, yet it's much quicker 0-80% than what I experienced with the Tesla. So yes, they're coming and they're coming way sooner than Tesla originally deployed theirs.

    I've been planning a long trip (some 4K miles) and, along the entire way, there is only one area where I'd have to rely on a non-EA charger (but there's one such station under construction). They're not as plenty as the superchargers yet, but they're getting there reasonably fast.
     
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    #38 VQTRVA, Aug 12, 2019
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    IMO - Porsche is placing the Taycan as a 4 door sports coupe with driving dynamic that still connects the driver to the wheels.
    While they are bench-marking some Tesla traits such as battery performance, it's clear to me that the Taycan still place a premium on the driver's input and firmly staying right in between the lines of the Porsche's DNA.

    Tesla has focused a lot of their efforts to add more & more tech to its car & to literally solve driving issues with technology vs. Porsche - who has tried to maintain its sporting driving dynamic while being powered by li-ion batts.

    I see a lot of old world traits still being adhered to with Porsche (driving dynamics, solid build) - but yet can't help & be impressed by the early repeatable high speed performance runs & the great looks.

    I don't think the Taycan is an endurance car just like I don't think the 3DP is a true performance car designed from the ground up.
    Both can coexist & serves different owners.
     
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  19. TeeEmCee

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    That's cause there were not enough of them before the VW penitence and Teslas don't do CCS. Plus, what EVs were available up to now? Pretty much just the Bolt. That's changing.

    Would love to see Tesla join the rest of the mfgs and switch to CCS. They're sort of doing that in Europe anyway, starting with the Model 3.
    As much as it pains me to say that, since the CCS Combo is an abomination vs Tesla's sleek plug (sort of VHS to Tesla's Betamax), interoperability would be preferrable to fragmentation, despite a crappier plug.
     
  20. AmpedRealtor

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    Elon Musk recently said that Model S & X are no longer Tesla's priority. The bulk of Tesla's development efforts will be going into Model 3/Y platform. This directly contradicts what Musk said just a year ago, that S & X will always have the most advanced tech. Nope. He changed his mind. Like he has done about a lot of commitments he made.

    The writing is on the wall. Model S & X will eventually be discontinued. The competition for S & X is coming, yes, but Tesla has moved the goal posts to the Model 3/Y. S & X are going to be history soon. I certainly wouldn't be buying one now.

    I hardly ever supercharge. If I'm going to be evaluating cars in the $75k+ price range you can bet I'll be focusing on interior and build quality. These are two categories where Tesla is unable (or unwilling) to compete.
     
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