Not that long. It wasn't too long ago when they said first deliveries in 2011.
I never said it wasn't.
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Not that long. It wasn't too long ago when they said first deliveries in 2011.
Norbert
TSLA will win
It was summer 2012 at least since the IPO. And simply "2012" a while before that, I think.
Sigs were fall of 2011, but that was when the prototype was revealed in March 2009, before Tesla even knew where they would be built.
W8MM
R1.5 #325 + Mdl S #01380
While I, too, am a little disquieted by the time gap between the initial deliveries over a month ago and now, I strongly disagree that the 20 or so founders who have already taken delivery aren't "customers." My understanding is that they've all paid for their cars. Maybe OP could help us out with a little more detail as to why we shouldn't think of them as "customers?"
As for when Tesla said deliveries would take place... well whatever they said in the past is pretty irrelevant, right? They're contacting Sig holders and scheduling actual deliveries as we speak so isn't that what's more important?
I know a lot of you have been waiting for this car (i.e. on the reservation list) much longer than I so it's with a great deal of trepidation that I suggest that we all try to be a little patient here.
As for when Tesla said deliveries would take place... well whatever they said in the past is pretty irrelevant, right? They're contacting Sig holders and scheduling actual deliveries as we speak so isn't that what's more important?
I know a lot of you have been waiting for this car (i.e. on the reservation list) much longer than I so it's with a great deal of trepidation that I suggest that we all try to be a little patient here.
Norbert
TSLA will win
As far as we know, Founders are buying Model S with their own money, and then privately own this car and can do with it what they want.
My take is that the idea that they are not customers was made up by some who thought it would be good to "be optimistic" and didn't mind implicitly putting Tesla under pressure to deliver signatures at the June event...
Norbert
TSLA will win
Especially when you have to go to the bathroom LOL
In Europe, trains have usable bathrooms. (OT, I know).
Based on this thread a "real" customer got delivery on July 27. They just got bumped up to Founder status from their SSL spot. That seems to indicate the goal was met to deliver to a customer by July 31 whether customer meant someone on original Founder list or not.
Is that good enough to stop the nit picking in this particular area?
There's a big difference. Yes, I was misled. But as you stated, it was my own fault for believing it without accounting for delays.
I don't know where I stand on Founders as real customers or not. That said, if you're in the "real customers start with Sig SSL" then this sleight of hand is not at all convincing. Nice try though.
You said you "made my car selling-buying plans last year based on an April delivery".
If you made that decision last year, you weren't misled since Summer 2012 had already been stated. I know because I reserved 1/9/2011 and it was expected deliveries in Summer 2012 at that point.
Norbert
TSLA will win
For the June event, the point turned out to be that Tesla gave them keys and allowed them to drive the cars away. Seems a fine definition for "delivery".
I agree, founders shouldn't count as 'customers'. I mean really, they paid for the car, received the car, drove away in the car, registered it under their name. But that shouldn't count, should it?
I suggest we also don't count any Signature reservations. After all, they will/have paid for their cars, will receive it, will drive it and register it.
Oh hey, let's also not count anyone named David, Sally or... hmmm... Frank as customers:tongue:
I suggest we also don't count any Signature reservations. After all, they will/have paid for their cars, will receive it, will drive it and register it.
Oh hey, let's also not count anyone named David, Sally or... hmmm... Frank as customers:tongue:
Sigh. Like I said, I'm still not decided but posts like this just annoy me.... on behalf of those that see the Founders as a different class of customer/non-customer.
"Sig red" is exclusive to Signatures right? Well, last I checked at least 3 of the Founders vehicles have a Signature Red exterior. Does this imply that there are more than 1000 Signatures?
Just one example of how Tesla themselves are treating Founders as different from "regular" people... you know... customers.
bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
Soon cars will start to roll off the production line at a steady beat and this whole discussion about Founders vs Signatures vs regular production will die a quiet death. (fyi, they're all customers, imho)
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
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