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State based EV road user charge (Overturned 18/10/23)
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The cost to the community isn't measured by the kilometres driven, rather the location where the car is hogging space. Get rid of the EV tax and replace it with a punitive tax on parking spaces in certain areas and/or a progressively more expensive set of cordons around certain parts of our inner cities.
Places that are car-oriented by design, including ~6-7 million sq.km of regional and remote areas, should never have a per-km tax.
Only above a weight threshold where damage to pavement is a likely outcome of using that vehicle on a typical road.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. People there can choose to gentrify their inner cities, or to avoid them.
Though you'll find there are certain socioeconomic factors at play that encourage people to actively avoid walkable neighbourhoods there. That will never change. Best you can do is move the social problems elsewhere as you gentrify the areas with walkability potential.
It can be. A per km is a relatively easy way to measure road usage. +/- adjustments - see below
Or both
As I said above: a per km with adjustment for tare, axles. Maybe add in adjustments for vehicle power to weight, regional vs urban etc etc etc
Or perhaps there is something significantly wrong with that
Except that’s not true.
In the most recent quarter (2023 Q2) the state rankings in terms of BEV as a percentage of all new light vehicle sales is as follows:
- ACT - 21.3%
- TAS - 10.0%
- VIC - 9.7%
- NSW - 8.7%
- WA - 7.9%
- QLD - 7.4%
- SA - 7.0%
- NT - 2.3%
- ACT - 15.7%
- NSW - 6.6%
- VIC - 6.5%
- TAS - 6.1%
- WA - 5.8%
- QLD - 5.7%
- SA - 4.5%
- NT - 1.6%
The problem with carpark tax is the unplanned consequences. Adelaide City Council control most carparking in the cbd, especially around the shopping precinct. There has been a large shift of shopping away from the cbd to the suburbs, with most claiming its the cost of parking (adelaide is very car-centric). So adding a tax to cbd parking would likely cause major retail failures, so a less dynamic city. Sure you could also tax suburban carparks, but that would then clog surrounding streets and encourage more online shopping, so destruction of jobs. A per km charge seems to have a lot less unintended consequences
EcoCloudIT
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Of course our recent quarter had a spike, it was just before our incentives was pulled.
I would say your figures proves my point...our 12 mths average is 6.5% however our last quarter, just before incentives got pulled, spiked up over 3% (so incentives do work and extra taxes do the opposite)...so lets see in the next quarter/year. I think VIC will drop to less than 5% (and SA will go up)...I said state not territory (so ACT, NAT can be ignored).
I also think EV sales are gaining traction so rapidly that an annual percentage is not going to give a true growth representation in any state. There are noticably more ev’s in Adelaide now, including two model 3’s this week who decided on a drag race from the lights, straight into the fixed speed camera 200m away. At least they are making an indirect contribution to the roads.
Have you worked out how much fuel levy you pay? Interesting to see if on a tax basis you are better or worse off with the proposed nsw ev per km tax
Approx 13,000 litres of diesel based on combined average fuel economy and distance travelled
@ $0.442 /L fuel excise
$5746
EV RUC 150,000km @ $0.026 = $3900
I would be slightly better off by about $1846 in terms of EV RUC if all the 6 cars are EV
But a lot better off if ICE are charged fuel excise AND equivalent RUC
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EcoCloudIT
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Or most don't understand until after they buy that a RUC exists and get a rude shock at registration renewal...what they most certainly do know is the $3k by the VIC government was being pulled....
Ok yes but here are the calculations
20,000 km per year.
Tesla says 11kWh = 70km. Let's say it's 65km
20,000 km / 65 = 307
307 x 11 = 3384 kWh per year (amount of electricity per year to cover 20,000km)
Let's say there is no solar and you overnight charge using 20c per kWh (GST inclusive)
3384 x 0.2 = $676
The GST component is $676/11 = $61
20,000 km @ 8L/100 km = 1600L per year
Fuel excise cost= 1600 x 0.442 = $707
Add in GST for fuel. Let's say fuel is $1.8 per litre
1600 x 1.8 /11 = $261
Combined fuel excise + GST = $968
So ICE pays $900 per year more
If EV had the $0.026 road user charge
20,000km x 0.026 = $530
$900 - $530 = $370
Even with EV road users charge the ICE is still paying $370 more per year
Chairman Dan is making VIC taxpayers fork out $380M compo when he cancelled the Comm Games. He will have to find other sources of revenue to plug that hole. How much is the EV tax proposed to raise?
I'm all for getting rid of the fuel excise.
Just add something like a carbon tax. Impacts both ICE's and EV's whether running off oil or coal.
Bonus should be a drive for cleaner fuels for both ICE and EV's. Great for the environment!
Oh, I think 20c is way to cheap. 36c here (no offpeak except hot water), I think 30-35c (almost double) might be better average .. particularly accounting for the 50-70c charges of public charging.
As an aside, using the Vic government's logic .. why doesn't the RUC capture modified diesel engines running off cooking oil or other bio products? They're getting a free ride. Totally unfair.
Lots of unfairness everywhere depending on one own priorities.
That's why an RUC should be applied across the board
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