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Haha. Yes, but misleading.
Sterling Anderson, the self driving lead, was at the crash site (which is on his new company site). He seemed well aware of the sudden acceleration issue in the early model. He also believed sensor log report should gave valuable data.
The OP's assertion that Sterling was aware of sudden acceleration events in early models is incorrect.
Not going to argue. I think most people understood what I posted. Peace.So far it seems the OP has been the most accurate in the description of events.
That would make sense since the OP was there and the rest of weren't.
I'm glad Sterling was there and made sure that the OP knew about getting the log report. Hopefully Tesla, if asked enough times, will allow it.
I am still trying to process what happened an hour ago... but I wanted to share this incredible accident today around lunch time
While I was making a right turn from a local main road to a small road, not breaking or accelerating much as I always do, all of sudden, my MX accelerated on its own in a lot of power, like when I deliberately make an acceleration as I clearly felt the sensation on my seat. Before I could reacted to the situation, I already hit two parked cars.
I was not on autopilot
One witness behind me told the policeman "something just not right", the speed was constant ...., like you were on raceway"... He came back to make the point after he left and almost got home ..
I never used autopilot because I didn't like the driving feeling when I initially tried. I had this sudden acceleration at least one time this year (February?) on a state highway. I told my husband who was the passenger then. That only lasted seconds and no cars in front of me.
I am not sure this ever happened to anyone, but I am now so scared and the car is totally wrecked.....
To the OP, you may want to follow the thread below on another report of a sudden unintended acceleration incident that occurred today to see how or if they get the event logs.
I was skeptical...
Sorry to say, the Tesla service centers can be some of the most defensive liars out there, and ignore any evidence you have. They'd rather not fix your situation than to fix it for everyone. It's better if you post it and let the Internet hordes dissect it.I've had something similar but with AP on. In the freeway I was behind a car that changed lanes and in front of me was a large Blue truck. It maintained my speed for a second and then just accelerated as it was going to crash into the truck and I had to break. I tried again a second time to test it out and it was fine again for a second or two and then started to accelerate. It was after work so the freeway was pretty busy and I AP was about 10 to 15 mph. I was able to take a video of it as well which I am going to be sharing with the service team tomorrow.
As I said, the service centers are usually in full defensive liar mode. It would be easier to hire a Tesla hacker to pull the data logs.Yeah, I definitely didn't feel any level of "emergency brake" at the time of crash. I had hoped the log report will give the trajectory, images and rich data to assemble the whole picture, Maybe Tesla does have the story, just not telling me.
It is really disappointing that when this accident happened, Tesla has not shown any interests to debrief me or to find out more details from me.
My old Mercedes also had a stalk on the left for cruise, but it was placed in such a way and a different thickness of stalk that one could not mistake it for the blinker. In the Tesla, both stalks have about the same thickness, and it's often mentally impossible to differentiate the two. The Mercedes stalk was thin, like a pencil, and the blinker was one of the thickets stalks I've ever used.I've said it before, the confusing Tesla cruise control setup is, well, confusing. Setting cruise the same way you flick a stalk (either up or down and even pulling does different things depending on situation) for blinkers could be the reason why there are reports of this issue happening especially when turning a corner...
Tesla sources their stalks directly from Mercedes, so the two are identical.My old Mercedes also had a stalk on the left for cruise, but it was placed in such a way and a different thickness of stalk that one could not mistake it for the blinker. In the Tesla, both stalks have about the same thickness, and it's often mentally impossible to differentiate the two. The Mercedes stalk was thin, like a pencil, and the blinker was one of the thickets stalks I've ever used.
I think Mercedes now does the American way, with a nice big thick stalk for both of them, and so does Tesla, so now it's all very confusing and misleading. As Elon Musk has said, sometimes we don't have progress, but regress in technology, and this is one of those times, with cruise control stalks and user interface.
Also, if you can get into the habit of turning your blinker on with your left hand still on the steering wheel, you shouldn't mistake the two stalks because you won't be able to reach the CC stalk.
Firstly, I would expect everyone turn on their blinker *before* they actually start turning. There is no point in signaling your turn when you've already started the turn. The blinker is supposed to tell others your "intention" to turn and in which direction.That is unfortunately not true. When turning right your hands move over the left-side stalks in such a manner that if you turn on the blinker while turning the wheel, instead of before turning the wheel, the mistake can happen. (Not so much when turning left.)
Firstly, I would expect everyone turn on their blinker *before* they actually start turning. There is no point in signaling your turn when you've already started the turn. The blinker is supposed to tell others your "intention" to turn and in which direction.
Secondly, are you saying that with your hands on the steering wheel, you can reach the CC stalk? I seem to have to take my hands off the wheel to reach the CC stalk, because it is much shorter than the signal stalk
Wow, you must have big hands and/or long fingers. I can just barely brush the CC stalk with my finger-tips with my hands planted on the wheels in a normal driving position. If I rotate my hands around the steering wheel, I can obviously connect with the CC stalk, but that's cheating.When turning to right, yes. Obviously I take my hands off to move them over/on the wheel to execute the turn, but while doing that/while my hands grab the wheel I can reach both stalks if that is the time I remember to engage the blinkers...
Wow, you must have big hands and/or long fingers. I can just barely brush the CC stalk with my finger-tips with my hands planted on the wheels in a normal driving position. If I rotate my hands around the steering wheel, I can obviously connect with the CC stalk, but that's cheating.
Ah, just figured it out. You must not have your hands at 10 & 2 or 9 & 3.My whole point is:
While rotating hands on steering wheel when turning right, you can reach both stalks.
IF you only enable the blinker at that late stage of the turn (some obviously do), the confusion could well happen.
When design fails us, it's up to humans to adapt to poorly designed solutions. I'm not necessarily saying that the Mercedes stalks are a bad design, but it may not be the most optimal.vandacca: I am talking about a 90 degree city turn. How do you do that without rotating your hands on the wheel?
That is the scenario - when turning right - where hands on the wheel could hit the wrong stalk, if blinker is only enabled once the turn starts.
When design fails us, it's up to humans to adapt to poorly designed solutions. I'm not necessarily saying that the Mercedes stalks are a bad design, but it may not be the most optimal.
So, my initial post was intended to adapt one's behaviour to this stalk confusion issue. This means that you signal prior to turning and do so with your hands on the wheels.
If you want to turn right and signal while you turn, go for it. But that is completely out of the scope of my initial post.
The button disappeared at the same time the Autopilot hardware was introduced, which was around September 2014.I don't know exactly when they removed it but since at least early 2016, there hasn't been a button on the end of the cruise control stalk.
The button disappeared at the same time the Autopilot hardware was introduced, which was around September 2014.