Similar to having unprotected sex, and then complaining when they find they have a STD.
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Supercharging Nightmare Begins
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Similar to having unprotected sex, and then complaining when they find they have a STD.
))Huh? I can't use a CCS fast charger because there is no adapter I am aware of. There is a Chademo adapter, but I don't have one. One thing you forget about this issue is that we are talking about a company run by an EV advocate... more than a Tesla advocate. He has publicly said that if Tesla fails because the other companies improve and out compete Tesla, that's a good thing! Elon has also said they are considering opening the Supercharger network to non-Tesla cars. Then all bets are off!
Other than J-1772 slow chargers, I've only charged from 120 VAC and Tesla units. I've yet to find an accessible 14-50. A local supermarket has a Chademo-Tesla adapter but it won't work with my car. That charger seems to work just fine on a Nissan Leaf.
While they may create an adapter, I'm pretty sure Tesla is never going to add other ports to the car. I get why Tesla has their own charger port, but why are there multiple competing standards??? The charging interface would seem to be BEV 101 level stuff to get right. Nobody cares if they picked the wrong video tape player. But who wants a car they can't charge???
I guess the only reason why we there are just two choices of steering wheel location is because we only have two hands!
The more I read your posts the less credible you sound
Sorry...
ChrisJ
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gnuarm, never say never. The model 3s in Europe will have a CCS port only and compatible with all the widely available CCS chargers.
Don TLR
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I like your thinking, raise the rate if you're within 25 miles of your home AND if you've been here more than once this week
IMO, it's a bit different here:
With an electric car, the idea actually is you always start your (daily) commute with a full charge and have some charging possibility at your destination.
The Supercharger is actually the equivalent to the gas station for long(er) trips, yet subtracted by the available "on site" means of charging at first departure/final destination.
You know, that’s like saying that gas stations were never intended for daily refueling. The real issue here that will be very hard to solve is getting it to charge faster. And faster.
In reality, how can you expect from a lot of people to have a charger at home? Especially in SF/Bay Area where most can’t afford to buy a home. I live in a residential building (not SF) that has a few chargers installed, but that’s also pretty rare here so we are considered lucky. If all residents had an electric car, how would we all ever be able to charge overnight? Sure, the building could always install more, but that also seems far fetched right now.
Or, are you saying that only people with the means to install a charger at home should buy a Tesla and the rest can just go screw themselves?
Edit: one of my friends actually returned his Model X because of this. He drives a lot and his home charger was too slow to recharge over night to the range he needed daily, but supercharges in the area were always packed. What would you tell him?
I would tell your friend if he does not have a place to charge an EV enough for the distance he drives everyday, than an EV may not be for him, at this time. The truth is that Tesla has more charging infrastructure than anyone else, and is building out in the Bay Area fast. So most other EVs would have a similar or worse issues.
I had a 7 month delay in getting my 240v/50A service installed and had to occasionally use local Superchargers. I live in the SF East Bay and, sometimes when I had a lot of driving to do, I had to get on the road at 5:30 to get to an open spot at the Supercharger. Fortunately, most of my daily driving could be handled with the 120V/15A and the mobile charger. If not, I may have put off the purchase.
Electrify America is how. Porsche, BMW, ect will support fast CCS charging. And Electrify America is rolling out their fast CCS chargers. But they will have a ways to catch up with Tesla's Supercharger network in terms of number of locations, and number of high speed chargers.
Silicon Desert
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RedOctober
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Most of us with free SC only charge there when on road trips. There are four of us in my area that I know personally and we are lucky to attend once a month and we are very close to 2 SC. People need to be more considerate and if you can charge at home do so. Odd thing is, I have talked to a couple owners who have had a Tesla for a couple years but have yet to purchase a home charger and have the ability to install one at home. They can spend 100k on a car but won’t spend 1k to get their own charger.
I can hardly imagine that... You'd need to drive over 200 miles a day and spend less than 8 hours at home every day and that assuming over 20% loss of efficiency in the winter...
Canuck
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Now that gave me a chuckle. This early adopter had no superchargers and relied on public charging, extension cords, and a ton of adapters for this early adopter. Waiting to supercharge is a "late adopter" to some of us -- who also saw this coming.
What has me pleasantly surprised years later is that the superchargers I use the most, 1/2 way to my cabin in Hope BC, expanded from 6 to 10 stalls well before it even started to get close to being full, such as on long weekends. I understand California is a whole different ballpark, but up here Tesla keeps adding more and more, and even 12 "urban" 72 kW ones to a mall parking lot a few blocks from my office, and none come even close to being full yet -- knock wood! -- because we all know it's coming -- and I'm glad it's no longer free for anyone new.
Silicon Desert
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darxsys said: ↑
Edit: one of my friends actually returned his Model X because of this. He drives a lot and his home charger was too slow to recharge over night to the range he needed daily, but supercharges in the area were always packed.
Yea, I'm not buying that story either. That guy must have an awfully wimpy circuit going to his charger with low amperage to be that bad. Perhaps that guy should have done his homework in advance of buying the car to see if home charging was going to be sufficient for his needs. That's what I did.
Edit: one of my friends actually returned his Model X because of this. He drives a lot and his home charger was too slow to recharge over night to the range he needed daily, but supercharges in the area were always packed.
Yea, I'm not buying that story either. That guy must have an awfully wimpy circuit going to his charger with low amperage to be that bad. Perhaps that guy should have done his homework in advance of buying the car to see if home charging was going to be sufficient for his needs. That's what I did.
Silicon Desert
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Agree. I am in that camp of not want to clog the SCs. One example is the wife insists on a monthly visit to the local casino for a "pig fest" (all you can eat buffet). Although the supercharger is right out front, I usually park across the street at the destination charger provided by the hotel. Sure I only get 40 miles for each hour, but its not a problem for me. I rather not clog up the supercharger for people traveling through the area or actually bringing some vacation dollars to the area. I used to park at the supercharger often when we go to eat, but as it starting getting more crowed due to more Teslas on the market, I don't charge there any more.
Just what I was thinking when I read that. I have a GE Watt Station, which I put on my house when I leased a BMW I3. I use it for my Tesla now and it never fails to full charge me by morning. I only use the SC when travelling long distances. They are not meant for everyday charging!
I am not sure where these numbers come from. if you only have a 120V/15A plug using the Mobile charger on the X you will only get 2-3 MPH. I know, I just left that nightmare.
Silicon Desert
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Yes, agree on that. I think the assumption is that when it was quoted he used a "home charger" that the person was referring to a wall charger and not the mobile charger. Maybe he was using the mobile charger. If so, then I wonder why he wouldn't have installed a Tesla wall charger instead of returning the car. Most homes will have a way to add at least a 30 or 40 amp breaker for charging which will give quite a bit of overnight charge.
Perhaps Aspen can elaborate on his numbers. I'm thinking that if the owner had a 48 amp wall charger and the same 48 amp version in the car (not the upgraded 72 amp version), then he should be able to gain at least 200 miles over a 10 hour home evening and night time charge. I have a 60 amp breaker and charging at 48 amps 240VAC and that's what I get.
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Bought my Tesla branded charger off eBay came from Canada for around $300. Charges in about 3.5 hrs the car fully
If you're not going to install an adequate 240V circuit, don't buy the car. Or if you do buy the car, don't complain about how long it takes to charge.
Silicon Desert
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Maybe I am guessing wrong, but you must be starting with quite a bit of remaining battery before you charge? What size battery pack do you have? The maximum you should be able to get on a wall charger is about 45 miles for each hour if you have the largest optional car charger of 72 amps and charging at that highest rate. So you should get about 120 miles plus or minus a bit ???
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