FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
The consensus at the GF event was that the Model 3 will use a subscription based model to pay for use. 
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Actually all of the cars have it. It became a software unlock rather than a hardware installation fee before the first 60s were delivered.
The consensus at the GF event was that the Model 3 will use a subscription based model to pay for use.
The consensus amongst the attendees?
FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
Red Sage
The Cybernetic Samurai
Red Sage
The Cybernetic Samurai
Nice pictures. But methinks 'consensus' does not mean what you think it means.
JeffK
Well-Known Member
I personally would not be interested in a subscription model at all, but hey if it's only $50-100 a year I might go for it.
With Elon using the word "plan" in his tweets/comments, a subscription of some form is the natural conclusion.
TaoJones
Beyond Driven
I wouldn't touch a Model 3 if subscription SC access was the only option.
Most of the poo-poo* contingent evidently do not own Model S/X now. You can visit 30-40 SC per week when traveling - easily.
Even a seasonal SC subscription, given that reality, would soon cease to be cost-effective relative to a simple one-time, up front cost amortized over, say, 3 years.
A subscription for "occasional use" wouldn't be cost effective relative to, for example, AeroVironment's existing $19.95/month unlimited use plan for full-strength, fully-functional ChaDeMo.
So... what's the point other than to introduce friction into a frictionless system to address, at most, a 3% problem solely in areas of density? Triple the impact and it approaches being a 10% problem. Bleh.
As I've typed before, I wouldn't be surprised if they offer trial 30-day packages similar to DriverAssist (AP) now.
Here's one for the other side - even though 2/3 of homes in the US have garages, and even though 4 years on, the network is 97% fine and the other 3% is fine the majority of the time, at what point do the poo-pooers predict network saturation? Put some dates around the doom and gloom and let's see how it shakes out.
* poo-poo = ppu = pay per use
Most of the poo-poo* contingent evidently do not own Model S/X now. You can visit 30-40 SC per week when traveling - easily.
Even a seasonal SC subscription, given that reality, would soon cease to be cost-effective relative to a simple one-time, up front cost amortized over, say, 3 years.
A subscription for "occasional use" wouldn't be cost effective relative to, for example, AeroVironment's existing $19.95/month unlimited use plan for full-strength, fully-functional ChaDeMo.
So... what's the point other than to introduce friction into a frictionless system to address, at most, a 3% problem solely in areas of density? Triple the impact and it approaches being a 10% problem. Bleh.
As I've typed before, I wouldn't be surprised if they offer trial 30-day packages similar to DriverAssist (AP) now.
Here's one for the other side - even though 2/3 of homes in the US have garages, and even though 4 years on, the network is 97% fine and the other 3% is fine the majority of the time, at what point do the poo-pooers predict network saturation? Put some dates around the doom and gloom and let's see how it shakes out.
* poo-poo = ppu = pay per use
Elon confirmed the existence of a "lifetime plan" for the 3. We just don't know the details yet.
His last tweet on the subject said they would be revealed "soon", but he forgot to declare that was in Elon Standard Time and we needed to do the reverse dog years conversion.
His last tweet on the subject said they would be revealed "soon", but he forgot to declare that was in Elon Standard Time and we needed to do the reverse dog years conversion.
Red Sage
The Cybernetic Samurai
Descriptors and qualifiers. So many focus on a single word when 'quoting' Elon Musk, always carefully leaving out the words before, or after, that particular word. I don't understand the need to constantly 'interpret' what he says, when he has already described and qualified it with his statements. Then someone wants to say what he 'plainly' means, without noting their own plainly obvious omission. C'mon, MAN!
Sorry, I misinterpreted what you said. "And ever since" sounded like you were saying some cars were produced without supercharger hardware before that decision.
AZ Desert Driver
Rare combination
The cost of car ownership does indeed included tires and windshield fluid, but the bigger costs are depreciation and insurance. Those dwarf the fuel cost. From my unscientific look at 3 year old "S" - they have depreciated about $1,000/mo. Its tough to follow exactly, as newer models have desirable features that the older fellows did not have (AP) but this seems to be in the ballpark. In context, two months of ownership = price of SC.
I see no reason why the M3 would depreciate any different than other cars on the street. Its desirability may dampen the decline, but its charging issues may heighten the decline. I call it a draw and will allocate $800-1,000 /month decline.
I see no reason why the M3 would depreciate any different than other cars on the street. Its desirability may dampen the decline, but its charging issues may heighten the decline. I call it a draw and will allocate $800-1,000 /month decline.
Elon has confirmed a lot of things that didn't come to fruition. Look at my tag under my avatar. That's in reference to the next generation Roadster that Elon implied would be coming soon. The part deux came out and it wasn't mentioned as the next model (and sensibly, it shouldn't be). At the GF event he wound up admitting it's probably very, very far in the future. Heartbroken is too extreme a description for how I felt, but I was definitely disappointed. I suppose one of my 3 reservations will execute as whatever ludicrously sporty model is offered.
I'm not changing my tagline, though!
Wishful thinking ... I hope you are correct, but it is all speculation until Tesla announces pricing next year.
Next year...less than 6 months away, LOL. If news could get in by end of December 2016 (if not earlier) that would make it so much easier to plan finances.
ModelNforNerd
Active Member
I really think the timeline is falling in to place where we get Reveal Part 2 in early December.
Configurator "go-live" in April/May.
Suppliers due to be ready to go on July 1.
Employees and West Coast current owners start seeing their 3's next September/October.
And full ramp can begin after any early kinks get worked out.
Q1 2018 is my best guess for many of us seeing our cars.
"Package" seems like the go-to word used for options on cars, so I would think that implies a one-time cost over some sort of subscription or pay-as-you-go model.
I'm betting you'll be able to choose if you want a lifetime package, subscription plan, pay-as-you-go, whatever. There will be choices because having choices costs Tesla nothing extra and makes the car more accessible. I'm sure anything that's not the lifetime package will also spill over to current classic S60 owners.
Red Sage
The Cybernetic Samurai
Once again, processing multiple financial transactions per car over the course of years will cost more than processing a single one at the time of purchase.
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