I’m now getting the impression that they may instead opt to try and cajole AP2 owners who prepaid for FSD to upgrade the entire car with a mildly sweeter trade-in or discount, as it’s probably not worth their time and effort to retrofit AP3 hardware on AP2.So an update. I took my car in. The service writer first tried to tell me that my car was NOT eligible for an AP3 upgrade because it was AP2, and not AP2.5, to which I asked them exactly why did I pay for the FSD package upgrade? He kept standing his ground, and after going back and forth with him and telling him that he is flat wrong, he finally went to the service manager who also acted bewildered about it. Lead tech confirmed that he *thought* the upgrade would cover AP2 vehicles, but that they're not doing it yet. He said to try back some time next year. Service writer basically had a "see I told you so" attitude and tried to tell me that whatever I've read on the Internet is wrong about upgrading AP2. Between this experience, plus the fact that their yellow screen fix tool was "broken" and to schedule another visit in a month or two, I am pretty upset with Tesla. Their service department used to be straight up first class, and now it's worse than the Ford service dept that I take my wife's car to.
Sounds like a class action law suit to me if they do this. I spent $46,000 to trade in my S85D for my AP2/MCU1 S90D with FSD.I’m now getting the impression that they may instead opt to try and cajole AP2 owners who prepaid for FSD to upgrade the entire car with a mildly sweeter trade-in or discount, as it’s probably not worth their time and effort to retrofit AP3 hardware on AP2.
I’m not sure I’d be happy with that arrangement, but I also wouldn’t be shocked.
<— AP2, MCU1, prepaid FSD in 7/2017
Sounds like a class action law suit to me if they do this. I spent $46,000 to trade in my S85D for my AP2/MCU1 S90D with FSD.
Apparently in the 2019.36.1 build, the traffic cone visualization only shows up on HW3 cars, may be the first software feature that diverges on the new platform.
Tesla is clearly managing the risk of FSD on HW3 by defining the FSD "feature set" as the liability goalpost. That is why they will recognize the revenue from the FSD upgrade when they declare "feature set complete".
I personally think they are walking a tightrope here.
I can confirm this. My TM3 with HW2.5 and 36.1, did not get cone visualization. This likely means we will not get feature complete FSD either, without the hardware upgrade, that Tesla wants to delay until next year.
Right, feature complete FSD will only be on AP computer revisions 3+.
Is the consensus, that unless you are on HW3 the that car not only will not visually show the cones but would also not react to the cones to go along with the 2019.36.1 software changes (presumably improved over whatever
cone avoidance/navigation logic they had)?
We believe that the only difference between AP2.5 and AP3 is the computer, whereas we know that the AP2.5 update changed all of the cameras and the radar.
So upgrading an AP2.5 car to AP3 is probably just a matter of replacing the computer, but an AP2 upgrade is likely more involved (it's not clear to me whether they'll have to replace the cameras and radars in AP2 cars, or just adjust the networks to deal with differences in output.)
That doesn't in any way relieve Tesla of their obligation to upgrade you, but it may explain why they can't yet; the service people certainly didn't help the situation with their poor explanation.
Retrofits will start when our software is able to take meaningful advantage of the Tesla FSD computer, which is an order of magnitude more capable. For now, it’s slightly disadvantageous to have Tesla FSD computer, as our software is more refined for HW2.