Tesla Sales Banned in New Jersey... hopefully not for long!

[tslafan123]

Many years ago my brother as a teenager had a summer job as a gopher in the service department of a car dealership. The service manager ordered him to swing a sledgehammer and bend a perfectly good driveshaft. He refused and was fired. A mechanic performed the dirty deed instead.

That's horrible!!

 

[rlang59]

I just emailed my delivery guy, the only issue becomes that if I have to take delivery in NY or PA then it is my obligation to get the car registered and titled, not the best way to spend the better part of a day

When I picked up in PA and they handled title and registration just like if you bought a car at any dealership in the tri-state area. Same thing that happened when I bought a car in Delaware.

 

[Citizen-T]

NJ residents, time to reach out to your state senators and reps. If Tesla has lost the support of the administration, then you'll need the legislature to step in. Not too early to start getting their attention.

 

[apvbguy]

When I picked up in PA and they handled title and registration just like if you bought a car at any dealership in the tri-state area. Same thing that happened when I bought a car in Delaware.

I hope that happens for me, thanks
it would actually be more convenient for me to take delivery in NY, so on a very personal level this works well for me

 

[dsm363]

I just emailed my delivery guy for his insights, but being that this is so fresh I doubt if he'll be able to give a concrete response.
the only big issue of taking delivery in NY or PA that it then becomes my obligation to register and title the car, not the best way to spend the better part of a day

It's a pain but not bad. That's how it works in Texas.

 

[SteveG3]

beyond the widespread sense that this is flat out wrong, the statements and actions today by the Governor's administration are contradictory,

on the one hand, this morning they responded to Tesla's assertions that NJ has gone back on its word with a counterclaim that Tesla has been told for over a year that Tesla would need new legislation to continue operating in NJ under their sales model,

on the other hand, this afternoon they saw a need to pass a new regulation to delineate Tesla's current operations in NJ as illegal.

which is it NJ? was Tesla's existing activity illegal or was it legal until today's measure was passed?

I've not seen any of the media coverage pick up on what I find to be a clear contradiction.

 

[ckessel]

I agree completely. The worst that happens (besides Noo Joiseyans having trouble getting test drives) is that people in Beijing don't have to wait quite as long for their cars...

Worst depends on your point of view.

Christie just put a bunch of Tesla employees in New Jersey out of work.

 

[pbleic]

Someone should start a petition on petitions.whitehouse.gov/ asking for the Commerce Clause to be invoked.

 

[apvbguy]

beyond the widespread sense that this is flat out wrong, the statements and actions today by the Governor's administration are contradictory,

on the one hand, this morning they responded to Tesla's assertions that NJ has gone back on its word with a counterclaim that Tesla has been told for over a year that Tesla would need new legislation to continue operating in NJ under their sales model,

on the other hand, this afternoon they saw a need today to pass a new regulation to delineate Tesla's current operations in NJ as illegal.

which is it NJ? was Tesla's existing activity illegal or was it legal until today's measure was passed?

I've not seen any of the media coverage pick up on what I find to be a clear contradiction.

there is no contradiction, today actions just affirmed the fact that what tesla was doing in NJ was against the state's regulations, as far as I know these regulations are not new regulations.
it is now up to the legislature to remedy this problem or to allow the regs to stand as they are currently on the books

 

[eepic]

perhaps the powers that be in NJ really don't give a flying fig about how elon operates, it is incumbent upon elon to learn how to play with others or he will be running into problems like this in the future.
now that NJ has run him out how far behind do you think the rest of the states dealer associations will be.
it's called poor gamesmanship

support it all you care to, at the end of this day tesla cannot sell cars in NJ after 4/1.

While it's certainly possible if Tesla's priorities were shifted the outcome here could have been different, but at the cost of losing focus on the many fronts they are fighting. With respect to gamesmanship as you claim, that's literally winning a battle but losing the war.

Let's not forget that folks in NJ could still purchase a Tesla with fully accessible service centres in state, just in a less convenient for the initial purchase. Also, there's silver lining in the public support that's come from this and publicity for TM nationally (perhaps globally with media coverage on the story).

I think it's premature to conclude poor gamesmanship from Tesla at this point.

 

[Julian Cox]

Worst depends on your point of view.

Christie just put a bunch of Tesla employees in New Jersey out of work.

Think they just underestimated the backlash in the legislature. Seemed that by the end of the meeting they were already backing down to the public outcry that was in their face and on the phones and email.

"not done deal, governor has a veto" kind of talk.

 

[apvbguy]

I think it's premature to conclude poor gamesmanship from Tesla at this point.

the only poor gamesmanship is that tesla has done little to nothing to ingratiate themselves with the powers that be. how can tesla accomplish that? the first step is hiring a local PR person.

 

[Citizen-T]

Love this: It Happened: New Jersey Votes to Block Teslas Direct Sales | Re/code

"We need to talk about the fact that we are for a free-market society that allows your effort and ingenuity to determine your success, not the cold, hard hand of the government.”

- Gov. Chris Christie

 

[apvbguy]

"not done deal, governor has a veto" kind of talk.

there will be no veto because this was an ADMINISTRATIVE hearing, the governor has veto power of legislation not the legal acts of commissions like the motor vehicle commission.

 

[GardenStateTSLA]

Don't know what the final ramifications are for Tesla and owners/buyers (prob not much) but if Christie was trying to shake the old-school-NJ-politics-cronyism-image this didn't help.

 

[jcstp]

the only poor gamesmanship is that tesla has done little to nothing to ingratiate themselves with the powers that be. how can tesla accomplish that? the first step is hiring a local PR person.

there where 14 local PR people in the room ;-)

 

[SteveG3]

@apvbguy, all the reporting I see described this as a new rule voted on by the NJ Motor Vehicle Commission, thus a contradiction to the notion Tesla was violating existing legal requirements.

 

[Citizen-T]

there will be no veto because this was an ADMINISTRATIVE hearing, the governor has veto power of legislation not the legal acts of commissions like the motor vehicle commission.

I'm not sure that is accurate. I know it isn't at the federal level. Obama recently vetoed a decision to ban sales of iPhones because they infringed on patents which was not legislative.

 

[apvbguy]

@apvbguy, all the reporting I see described this as a new rule voted on by the NJ Motor Vehicle Commission, thus a contradiction.

I think the reporting is in error, however I could be in error as well.

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I'm not sure that is accurate.

I am

 

[dalalsid]

someone needs to come up with a clever hastag and start using it.. Any ideas?