Given the technical sophistication of the UI and the car generally how is that that Tesla still cannot deliver round-trip mapping in the car? And how is it that the online supercharger trip planner simply does not work 9 times out of 10, even for a straightforward point to point route?
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Tesla supercharger mapping is just about useless
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sduck
Mr. Duck
The online navigation works perfectly for point to point routes via superchargers - not sure what you're doing wrong. Perhaps if you give an example of what's not working someone can help you. And round trips can be done easily via abetterrouteplanner - unfortunately a round trip would involve waypoints, which the built in nav doesn't handle (yet).
cpa
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I might offer up that the onboard navigation works from point A to point B at the point in time it is utilized. So, if you are home with 58% SOC, it will route you to a Supercharger within your range for your first stop. In addition, current traffic conditions are reflected which might mean that the navigation will take you on a longer distance but shorter time. Clearly if you leave the next day with 85% SOC with no traffic, your results may be different.
My biggest problem with the way this works has to do with the "suggested" places to stop to charge. It appears that the system is blind to what is available at the various Superchargers along the way. I am not familiar with the eastern United States, but I can give you an example from the west:
I can leave home in the middle of the state for a destination like Minneapolis. My first stop will be northeast of Sacramento at one of a variety of places that the navigation chooses--some better than others depending upon time of day. Our traveling needs vary based upon whether it is time for lunch, dinner, sleep, or just a short break for some coffee or to stretch our legs. The next stop will be in Lovelock, Nevada with the only "amenity" being a McDonald's about three blocks away or a convenience store at the Chevron station adjacent to the Superchargers. Winnemucca (70 miles east of Lovelock) is not much better, but at least there is a casino proximate to the Supercharger that is air conditioned with OK places to eat or to grab a beverage while waiting. It would make more sense to charge less outside Sacramento to reach the Truckee Supercharger with a Starbucks and grocery store, charge a little bit more, and then skip Lovelock for Winnemucca.
I've planned my stops to see what was available for me to do while charging. I've charged more at a location because I was enjoying lunch or some other activity, thereby reducing time spent or even eliminating the next stop.
The navigation works fine just going station-to-station to get you close. Sometimes it is spot on. Other times you have to keep your eyes peeled because the stalls are along a back wall and the map does not dial in the location precisely. And watch out for the dreaded "unnamed road." They are ubiquitous.
My biggest problem with the way this works has to do with the "suggested" places to stop to charge. It appears that the system is blind to what is available at the various Superchargers along the way. I am not familiar with the eastern United States, but I can give you an example from the west:
I can leave home in the middle of the state for a destination like Minneapolis. My first stop will be northeast of Sacramento at one of a variety of places that the navigation chooses--some better than others depending upon time of day. Our traveling needs vary based upon whether it is time for lunch, dinner, sleep, or just a short break for some coffee or to stretch our legs. The next stop will be in Lovelock, Nevada with the only "amenity" being a McDonald's about three blocks away or a convenience store at the Chevron station adjacent to the Superchargers. Winnemucca (70 miles east of Lovelock) is not much better, but at least there is a casino proximate to the Supercharger that is air conditioned with OK places to eat or to grab a beverage while waiting. It would make more sense to charge less outside Sacramento to reach the Truckee Supercharger with a Starbucks and grocery store, charge a little bit more, and then skip Lovelock for Winnemucca.
I've planned my stops to see what was available for me to do while charging. I've charged more at a location because I was enjoying lunch or some other activity, thereby reducing time spent or even eliminating the next stop.
The navigation works fine just going station-to-station to get you close. Sometimes it is spot on. Other times you have to keep your eyes peeled because the stalls are along a back wall and the map does not dial in the location precisely. And watch out for the dreaded "unnamed road." They are ubiquitous.
PianoAl
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I can see how roundtrip planning could be useful. Supercharger navigation worked perfectly for us on our recent trip for California to Denver.
In Winnemucca we walked a few blocks to Sid's for lunch, and never felt stranded while supercharging.
In Winnemucca we walked a few blocks to Sid's for lunch, and never felt stranded while supercharging.
Gauss Guzzler
Safety Score = 42
The nav displays the estimated battery SOC for a round trip so you always know how much time to plan for charging. On the way back you can just swipe the address box to nav back home and it'll include whatever charging stops it needs. It plans the stops for efficiency but if you prefer the station with Starbucks over the one with McDonalds just tap that one instead.
So want the car to read your mind so it knows that you want to eat, or drink, or take a piss and navigate you to a supercharger that has those... ok
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
I've used the nav on a 2004 Garmin GPS- which somehow can handle waypoints and round-trip routes my Space Age Tesla can not.
Personally I use ABRP in advance for planning charging stops on trips- seems to do a better job not wasting my time by knowing that 2 short stops beats 1 long one compared to the built-in functionality that seems to favor fewer stops for more time.
Gauss Guzzler
Safety Score = 42
Waypoints I get. When I'm out shopping for a house or a used car or something it would be super useful to plot out all the locations and devise an efficient path.
But what's the deal with round trips? I have no idea what you guys are all talking about or why that would be useful.
P.S. In my experience the nav seems to favor multiple short stops as it seems to prefer high power chargers and moderate charge states. I'm actually more likely to override it for fewer/longer stops where I can eat/rest. Perhaps this is a functionality that has improved since you last tried it?
But what's the deal with round trips? I have no idea what you guys are all talking about or why that would be useful.
P.S. In my experience the nav seems to favor multiple short stops as it seems to prefer high power chargers and moderate charge states. I'm actually more likely to override it for fewer/longer stops where I can eat/rest. Perhaps this is a functionality that has improved since you last tried it?
Well, there is the work on Neuralink ...
But short of mind reading there could be a setting or option on the route planning that provides a time window for eating or just requesting maximum amenities.
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PianoAl
Active Member
Same here. On our trip, it usually suggested we charge just enough to get to the next at around 12%. We usually stayed longer because we weren't done stuffing our faces.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
And have been for almost a year now.
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MLXXXp
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Let's say you want to go from home to a certain destination, that doesn't have charge capability there, then want to return home shortly afterwards. There's a charging station half way between. You can make it directly to the destination at your current charge level with just a small amount of charge left.
You set to navigate to the destination and the trip planner decides you have enough charge to get there, so takes you there without any stops to charge. Now you're stranded there without a way to charge to get back home.
If you were able to set your destination as a waypoint and your home as the actual final destination, the trip planner would realise that you didn't have enough charge for the entire trip and would instruct you to stop at the charging station on the way there and likely again on the way back.
This is just a simple example but multiple waypoints and non-round trips would work the same way.
While I haven't done any long trips that would require multiple stops yet, I assumed I would take everything NAV said with a grain of salt. Yes, it will tell me where I have to stop, but suggested stops can be changed. I did do a trip from NYC to Denver a few weeks ago, but in my daughter's Camry, and I kept thinking of all the stops I'd have to make and when I superimposed this on top of where we actually stopped it was a pretty good match anyway. I mean, you can't NOT stop in Wall, SD for Wall Drug, or Mitchell SD for the Corn Palace. Or Custer. The one section where I'd have worried though is from Custer to ScottsBluff to Cheyenne. It was back roads through the prairie and there wasn't anything. I couldn't do that trip in an SR+ without going out of my way to a SC.
Gauss Guzzler
Safety Score = 42
When you enter a destination that doesn't require en-route charging it will always show the round trip SOC estimate. If that's negative you'll know that a charging stop is needed on the way back.
It's hard to imagine a scenario where the trip planner is predicting a significantly negative round trip SOC yet you decide to "wing it" and venture off into the abyss with a low battery anyway.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
If you're going more than one place then that info it totally useless.
Sure, I can get roundtrip easily from my start to my FIRST destination.
But I'm going 3 other places after that.
Which the current nav can't understand, because it's less capable than a Garmin from 20 years ago.
tstolze
Member
I don't recall my 20 year old Garmin telling me where to stop and charge my car or for how long.
Hopefully waypoints come soon, but for now its either calculate it yourself or ABRP for trips like your describing.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
I don't recall my 20 year old Garmin telling me where to stop and charge my car or for how long.
It could take a bunch of destinations, including ending back at the start location, then optimize the shortest route between them, then tell me the total length of the trip.
The in-car can't.
Yup. It's kind of embarrassing one still has to use 3rd party tools to do this.
Those of you that don't like the in included map then just use the browser in the car and use Abetterrouteplanner.com.
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