I’m guessing the new castings play a large part in the weight savings.
Edit: not gigacastings.
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Edit: not gigacastings.
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
At 336 fewer cells x 45 grams per cell, bty weight explains only 33 lbs of the difference. Remember, the pack itself is new, sharing many components and the advanced design from the Model 3/Y pack.
Also the two rear motors are SRPM carbon-wrapped motors, much lighter than the old heavy single AC motor that they replace from the old Model S Performance. There also appears to be improved rear castings to mount the dual motors.
I recommend weighting (see what I did there?) until @Ingineer has done his review. Here's his video about the new Plaid bty pack:
"Tesla Plaid - Battery Torn Open!" | see other Ingineerix videos on Youtube
Cheers!
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Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
No gigacastings in Palladium Model S. Elon recently confirmed it uses two rear castings.
TheTalkingMule
Distributed Energy Enthusiast
That's not sustainable, and to me that's a major concern. I don't think we're likely to see another 200x in TSLA over the next 5 years so that new employees can make a proper high-end wage.
We all love Elon and Tesla, but he clearly has a dangerous preference for what he calls "less drama" as it applies to workers just getting *sugar* done. And that makes sense, he's an impatient engineer who dreams of efficiency. But if Elon could replace us all with robots, he would.
That's why I'm so excited Elon is committed to manufacturing in Germany. These guys have the capacity and ability to function at an even higher level of precision and speed than Shanghai. Lets see if Elon can make that happen with a workforce who will most definitely take a 9 hour lunch if it's in their interest to do so.
Maybe this US "union tax credit" nonsense even has a positive impact on Tesla culture in the US. Keeping compensation at the forefront is not a terrible idea these days. As @Jackl1956 mentioned above, this disruption is quite powerful. And efficiency generally translates into fewer workers. A HUGE percentage of high school educated males making a rational salary in the US derive their income from truck driving. Tesla is literally working to end that. These things should worry us more than they do.
The Model S doesn't use Giga Castings. It uses a smaller cast node at each corner, as it has for a long time. (Elon recently confirmed this.)
I'd guess it's a mix of less batteries coupled with a bunch of little part reductions elsewhere.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
I expect him to over time. Robots won't file claims of harassment or racism. They'll just eventually rise up and take over.
Moravec’s paradox frames the risk to white collar jobs versus blue collar jobs. IBM developed “Watson” to compete on the game Jeopardy; they have since repurposed Watson for medical diagnosis. I like the example of a radiologist — send someone to college for four years, add four years of medical school and then a couple years as an intern; all this before they begin to practice. Watson can evaluate the X-ray of your lungs, and compare it to millions of online X-rays. Tesla‘s aggressive entry into artificial intelligence may well disrupt white collar jobs.
Nope. My guess it is too low volume of a car to make the required investment for the little gain over the 4) corner cast nodes they are currently using.
bkp_duke
Well-Known Member
Tesla also had cast machines previously that were used to make the 2 piece back of the original Model Y.
Would not surprise me if these were the same machines, just with new molds. Perfect re-use of excellent equipment you have on hand, for a relatively low-production run car (compared to the 3/Y, not saying it's low by industry standards).
Neither can I. That is why I described Koper. OTOH, Kotor is a very pretty town with a nice little port, mostly tourists and local traffic. There are a few EV charging places there but it would never be able to cope with a Roro of any size.
Sadly, I can generate typos at a very rapid pace.
Totally out of context, the sales associate at my Store who handled my Plaid delivery is from Kotor. She's the first Montenegran I have knowingly met in the US.
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Jalopnik also said that there was no way the Model S would ever be built. No reason to ever give them clicks.
Maybe we’re calling it a megacasting? Whatever the terminology it’s a design change from the previous generation.
Yes. Many people don't have this on their radar.Moravec’s paradox frames the risk to white collar jobs versus blue collar jobs. IBM developed “Watson” to compete on the game Jeopardy; they have since repurposed Watson for medical diagnosis. I like the example of a radiologist — send someone to college for four years, add four years of medical school and then a couple years as an intern; all this before they begin to practice. Watson can evaluate the X-ray of your lungs, and compare it to millions of online X-rays. Tesla‘s aggressive entry into artificial intelligence may well disrupt white collar jobs.
CGP Grey did a huge video about that, which i always recommend:
Edit: BTW that video is from 2014(!) with technology 7 years old!
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Can I just point out that you missed a massive opportunity to annoy the OP, right there...
TheTalkingMule
Distributed Energy Enthusiast
Why we still have lawyers, or even judges for that matter, with the progress that's been made in AI is beyond me. Seems a fairly straightforward and perfect application. Just don't let the AI handle sentencing and executionMoravec’s paradox frames the risk to white collar jobs versus blue collar jobs. IBM developed “Watson” to compete on the game Jeopardy; they have since repurposed Watson for medical diagnosis. I like the example of a radiologist — send someone to college for four years, add four years of medical school and then a couple years as an intern; all this before they begin to practice. Watson can evaluate the X-ray of your lungs, and compare it to millions of online X-rays. Tesla‘s aggressive entry into artificial intelligence may well disrupt white collar jobs.
woodisgood
Optimustic Pessimist
The first robot uprising will be the last robot uprising?
They S is probably using hand me down casting machines from the Y. And with each re-design they might add more as Tesla masters casting/stamping as a combined art. I think even low vehicles cars like the roadster will end up using some castings. Maybe not much in the Semi though.
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