bkp_duke
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True, I agree he probably won't do it, unless it is to give the big middle finger to someone about that whole 6B can feed the starving thing.
But, it is of course possible.
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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True, I agree he probably won't do it, unless it is to give the big middle finger to someone about that whole 6B can feed the starving thing.
But, it is of course possible.
Gigapress
Trying to be less wrong
I've been hearing that too but I don't know what the rule is.
I can say that Boeing is a shop with several unions but they allow BA stock ownership. A 100% BA fund is even one of the 401(k) options.
I haven't seen anyone mentioning another possibility ...
1. elon sells 10% of his shares
2. TSLA goes down
3. elon exercises his stock options
4. elon pays all the taxes
5, elon repays all the debt
6. with remaining cash he buys some TSLA shares at open market now at lower price
Problem?
1. elon sells 10% of his shares
2. TSLA goes down
3. elon exercises his stock options
4. elon pays all the taxes
5, elon repays all the debt
6. with remaining cash he buys some TSLA shares at open market now at lower price
Problem?
So the people who have done the math on this: Elon ends up with more net shares after all this because he exercised his options expiring in 2022? That's what I'm coming up with, do others agree?
The timing on this is not coincidence. Elon needs to file his insider selling forms 6 months in advance with the SEC, so the exercise of his options and then selling of some of the exercised shares must occur no earlier than May of next year. His options expire in August. It's way too convenient that Elon would do this poll now.
This is galaxy brain-class 4D chess. His stake actually increases in size when all is said and done, he pays a bunch of taxes to make the Twittard mob shut up and go away, and the stock's momentum is held in check for a bit which is something Elon has expressed a desire for in the past.
The timing on this is not coincidence. Elon needs to file his insider selling forms 6 months in advance with the SEC, so the exercise of his options and then selling of some of the exercised shares must occur no earlier than May of next year. His options expire in August. It's way too convenient that Elon would do this poll now.
This is galaxy brain-class 4D chess. His stake actually increases in size when all is said and done, he pays a bunch of taxes to make the Twittard mob shut up and go away, and the stock's momentum is held in check for a bit which is something Elon has expressed a desire for in the past.
Drumheller
Active Member
Agreed.
Twitter has legions of fake accounts used to push propaganda by various governments. All of those accounts are able to vote.
His lawyers may advise against this due to SEC concerns. (referring specifically to part 6. of your master plan)
6. Is the interesting one. He could easily do something unexpected. For instance he could start an electric Aviation enterprise, a space venture or an AI based security enterprise etc
I'd like to [NOT] thank everyone for going off the deep end this w/e with wild conjecture of the un knowable murk.
As for me, I will stick to my plan and stop trying to understand every minutiae.
As for me, I will stick to my plan and stop trying to understand every minutiae.
lafrisbee
Active Member
You aren't going to trick me into voting just so I could answer the question.Is that possible...
StealthP3D
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It was a given before Elon asked the question. He knew it would be "Yes".
I would like to know how “hours per car” is worked out.
Herbert Diess: (from Electrek article):
“And in Brandenburg, Tesla wants to build half a million cars with 7,000 people – direct and indirect. And with an impressive productivity: expected 90 units per hour in one line, 10 hours per car.”
500,000 cars per year produced by 7,000 employees, direct and indirect, is 500,000/7000=71.4 cars per employee.
Assuming 8 hour days, 5 days a week for 52 weeks, then man-hours is (8 X 5 X 52)/71.4= 29.1 hours per employee per car.
I suppose hours per car are not necessarily man-hours alone, but what else? The figures he gives should be meaningful in an equation.
Maybe his calculation somehow comes from “90 units per hour in one line”. Assuming 2 shifts: 90 X 16 X 365 = 525,600 per year, which works. But that only accounts for 40 seconds per car. Obviously, additional time must be spent by the 7,000 employees (direct and indirect) on off-line tasks. In that case, it’s still 29.1 man-hours per car.
Any suggestions?
Herbert Diess: (from Electrek article):
“And in Brandenburg, Tesla wants to build half a million cars with 7,000 people – direct and indirect. And with an impressive productivity: expected 90 units per hour in one line, 10 hours per car.”
500,000 cars per year produced by 7,000 employees, direct and indirect, is 500,000/7000=71.4 cars per employee.
Assuming 8 hour days, 5 days a week for 52 weeks, then man-hours is (8 X 5 X 52)/71.4= 29.1 hours per employee per car.
I suppose hours per car are not necessarily man-hours alone, but what else? The figures he gives should be meaningful in an equation.
Maybe his calculation somehow comes from “90 units per hour in one line”. Assuming 2 shifts: 90 X 16 X 365 = 525,600 per year, which works. But that only accounts for 40 seconds per car. Obviously, additional time must be spent by the 7,000 employees (direct and indirect) on off-line tasks. In that case, it’s still 29.1 man-hours per car.
Any suggestions?
Exercising options isn’t dilutive because those option shares were already included in the fully diluted EPS calculations. Just like other employee stock options are also automatically included in such calculations. The street just assumes people aren’t dumb enough to not exercise their options.
StealthP3D
Well-Known Member
Yes, options issued as executive and/or employee compensation are always dilutive (assuming they are exercised).
Thanks to Elon and Tesla employees, there exists something of value to dilute!
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LiveLong&Profit
Member
Interesting!
I thought the recent meteoric surge was dizzying fast - and you are saying it would have been a lot faster if the MMs couldn't afford to hedge, almost knowing that Elon would soon sell - so you assume that they have actually succeeded in slowing down the surge a lot?!
That didn't occur to me - wow!
But the poll itself is set to finish in a few minute - wouldn't Elon have to then extend the voting in order for the MMs to be affected?
Or are you saying that even if the poll ends with sell, Elon has not specified a precise time frame for selling, which then throws a spanner into the MM hedging calculations?
I just remembered that it was theorized that Elon and Tesla were actually very kind, almost graceful in saving some big WS players last year with the cap raise - but you are saying that this time it might be different?
Perhaps promises were made last year to keep manipulating hands off TSLA , but promises were not kept ...?
And now Papa Elon is ... dissapointed and trying another approach to get the message across?
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Yes, the rule is just for this bill. Having trouble finding the bill in its current state.
Unions are tricky as they control the narrative to their members with the company largely locked out for negotiation NDA reasons. Institutional hood winked membership.
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