Buying puts and selling calls both have similar effects on the share price. The market makers on the opposite ends of those options trades feel compelled to sell shares as hedges. Those can place downward pressure on the share price.I hope the handful of 11/12 $1k puts I picked up last week don't wind up ITM but...
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Todd Burch
14-Year Member
Who knows. If Musk couldn't finish by next Friday there may be more 10B5-1 forms for more days. At current rate of 600k shares/day we will need a lot more trading days.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
As noted earlier in the thread- that is not for Tesla.
(credit @mongo for originally pointing this out)
Nobody has shown any SEC doc with tesla having such a policy.
Exactly the opposite- that doc (which again is for a different company) specifically says 10b5-1 plans are not restricted to that window
The only info I've been able to find specifically about Teslas trading window is this:
14 days before end of quarter is when you can no longer sell.
Please post a link to either an SEC rule or Tesla filing supporting that 20 day window.
Note: other company's plans and IPO quiet periods are not applicable.
ZachF
Active Member
Elon already said their going to try to flatten the wave in Q4. I read that to mean that they'll pad 2020Q1 deliveries nos. with production drawn from 21Q4, to help lessen the margin impact on opening 2 new Giga factories in 22Q1.
Tesla has recently stated that Giga Berlin will begin production with the high margin Performance Model Y. I'm sure they'll do the same at Giga Texas, but as I've suggested here before this would be the IDEAL time to introduce a "made in Texas" Plaid Model Y. Simple parts swap for the front motor from AC Induction to SRPM (w. carbon ala the Plaid S). That's why the motors use the same castings so the switch can be made seemlessly.
But a Plaid Model Y, Founders Edition, equiped with a 100KWh 4680 bty pack and 760+ hp from two Plaid PM motors would EASILY command a retail price over $100K. There'll be some positive margins in that no matter what the Q1 production numbers, and STILL a faster car than a Ferrari. Want!
Cheers!
Love this idea.
Also, nothing better to show the true obsolescence of ICE than a likely sub 10 second CUV with soccer moms humiliating Lambos.
I can't help but think we don't know what we don't know about Elon's share sales.
I would not be surprised if this ends up being a bear trap and Elon finds a way to spring the trap right when it's least expected.
I would not be surprised if this ends up being a bear trap and Elon finds a way to spring the trap right when it's least expected.
I'm sorry if I'm out of touch, but is it different with a unplanned stock sale such as the one resulted from the TRTW poll? Common sense says no and next week is the deadline to do any stock sale, planned or otherwise.
I’m not able to search at the moment in a productive way (incredibly slow WiFi out in the middle of nowhere) for Tesla filings.
I’ve worked at multiple tech companies including Microsoft and Amazon and every company has a window each quarter between earnings for selling stock for every employee, including executives.
Edit: Sorry not for every employee. Just for employees that are deemed to have insider information based on what team and work they do for the company. I happened to be on such teams. Elon’s of course, would be on such team haha
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bballshinobi
Member
Yea that's what I was trying to say in my post. As long as you pay attention, 99.99% of the time you will be able see a mistake coming from a mile away (ok, maybe 20 feet away lol).
Not sure why that post of mine got some disagrees? Do you (people who disagreed) think FSD is perfect? Or you think it will always be the human's fault if FSD causes an accident?
MartinAustin
Active Member
Elon has said "we hope to flatten the wave" many times over the years. Yet there are still "waves." I think there will always be "waves" when there are long-distance boat trips for large numbers of vehicles. This will significantly decline when Berlin opens, and while there will still be boat trips to all the places in the southern hemisphere where there are sales, those waves will be "shallower," so we investors may even stop discussing them.Elon already said their going to try to flatten the wave in Q4. I read that to mean that they'll pad 2020Q1 deliveries nos. with production drawn from 21Q4, to help lessen the margin impact on opening 2 new Giga factories in 22Q1.
Tesla has recently stated that Giga Berlin will begin production with the high margin Performance Model Y. I'm sure they'll do the same at Giga Texas, but as I've suggested here before this would be the IDEAL time to introduce a "made in Texas" Plaid Model Y. Simple parts swap for the front motor from AC Induction to SRPM (w. carbon ala the Plaid S). That's why the motors use the same castings so the switch can be made seemlessly.
But a Plaid Model Y, Founders Edition, equiped with a 100KWh 4680 bty pack and 760+ hp from two Plaid PM motors would EASILY command a retail price over $100K. There'll be some positive margins in that no matter what the Q1 production numbers, and STILL a faster car than a Ferrari. Want!
Cheers!
IMO there won't be any Plaid 3 or Y. The flagship vehicles S+X+Roadster will continue to own all the Plaid variants.
I also think they will want to be careful about the roll-out of 4680 and won't want to sing about it from the treetops with a Plaid version. IMO their plan will be to ship less batteries in each car when possible - and get more cars made. Plaid doesn't really achieve that
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"Company publicly releases its earnings after the market opens on a Monday, the Window Period would be closed and would remain closed until it opens at the open of the market on Wednesday (assuming no intervening holidays). The Window Period will remain open for a period of 20 full trading days and will close at the end of the 20th day."
But they can still file 10b-1 forms for planned sales beyond this window into December.
Todd Burch
14-Year Member
It's kinda scary that a single person, selling just 10% of their stock, can have such a significant effect on the price. How the heck is going to eventually unload the remaining 90%?
The drop on Tuesday was not mostly from Elon selling, neither was Monday’s 5% decline.
| price | shares | ||||||||||||||
| pre split | $31.17 | 8/13/2012 | pre split | 5,274,901 | |||||||||||
| post split | $6.234 | shares to be exercised | post split | 26,374,505 | |||||||||||
| shares | |||||||||||||||
| Stock | 11/8/2021 | M | 2,154,572 | A | $6.234 | 2,154,572 | D | $13,431,601.85 | acquired | ||||||
11/8/2021 | 934,091 | D | $1,101,093,923.72 | dispersed | |||||||||||
11/9/2021 | 3,088,047 | D | $3,353,496,896.10 | dispersed | |||||||||||
11/10/2021 | 500,000 | D | $527,271,411.03 | dispersed | |||||||||||
11/11/2021 | 639,737 | D | $687,297,093.55 | dispersed | |||||||||||
5,161,875 | D | $5,669,159,324.407 | |||||||||||||
So from
ZachF
Active Member
He will leave most of what is left to the sovereign welfare fund of the Martian colonies on his death, IMHO.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Do you think the human is not responsible for controlling the vehicle until FSD is out of beta?
Yeah, I don't disagree. Currently Tesla Solar and Tesla Powerwalls aren't even available in my area. Maybe someday. My dream is to have a Tesla Solar roof and powerwalls but that will probably be years away due to no availability and $$$.
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