Artful Dodger
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Tesla Net Income 2009-2019 | TSLA
Last 3 quarter profits were:
Q3 +312M
Q4 +139M
Q1 -702M
so Tesla needs >$251M in Q2 to be net profitable for last 4 quartersQ4 +139M
Q1 -702M
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Last 3 quarter profits were:
Except you would then be defeating one of the purposes of charging at night, lower power rates. Good solution nonetheless though!
Yeah that would be the opposite of what would happen. Nighttime capacity is not a problem. For example, TOU is coming to my local utility and the new super off peak rates will be like 4 cents, compared to the standard res rate of 11 cents right now. (on peak will be 20cents I think)
No wonder your moniker is "Nocturnal."
One of the youtubers (I believe either Gali or his friend) said they specifically asked Elon about SP 500 inclusion and Elon basically said something to the effect that he’s put zero though into it and doesn’t care about it. Yet more evidence Elon really just focuses on the core fundamentals of the business.
FreightWaves - hour ago: How trucks are becoming a solution, not a product - FreightWaves
larmor
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That is even more concerning, if a company that the government (and its citizens) rely on for national defense is flawed fundamentally from the leadership, then there should be even louder calls for leadership replacement at boeing.
So if Tesla's Q2 profit is <$251M, does that mean they need (Q2 + Q3) > +563M for possible S&P inclusion after Q3?
That would give them (139 - 702 + Q2 + Q3) > 0.
Several ships (not boats) have gone there. I think it might be a refueling location.
Thoughts on today's trading...
The market rejected the mandatory morning dip and so TSLA ran up after the dip was vanquished. Shorts managed to cap TSLA at 227 on three excursions then pushed the cap down to 226, where it is now. Macros are as close to being neutral as you can get at the moment. In such an environment, TSLA would likely follow an excursion of the macros either up or down. In the absence of an excursion, shorts will try a push-down into the red like they did yesterday, when TSLA closed down 29 cents. On the other hand, if TSLA finds some mojo in the light volume afternoon hours and climbs, that push-down would not work.
Basically, the shorts are writing a fictional story right now that TSLA doesn't have much enthusiasm to climb any more. Their efforts yesterday helped pour cold water on the overexuberance for TSLA climbing well above the upper bollinger band. Sometimes we believe a work of fiction. Sometimes the market says "bullsugar" and bids the SP up anyway. I'm hoping for a departure to the high side from 226 this afternoon because the storyline says that TSLA sinks slightly below the red/green line later in afternoon if we don't climb above 226 and if shorts can pull it off.
The market rejected the mandatory morning dip and so TSLA ran up after the dip was vanquished. Shorts managed to cap TSLA at 227 on three excursions then pushed the cap down to 226, where it is now. Macros are as close to being neutral as you can get at the moment. In such an environment, TSLA would likely follow an excursion of the macros either up or down. In the absence of an excursion, shorts will try a push-down into the red like they did yesterday, when TSLA closed down 29 cents. On the other hand, if TSLA finds some mojo in the light volume afternoon hours and climbs, that push-down would not work.
Basically, the shorts are writing a fictional story right now that TSLA doesn't have much enthusiasm to climb any more. Their efforts yesterday helped pour cold water on the overexuberance for TSLA climbing well above the upper bollinger band. Sometimes we believe a work of fiction. Sometimes the market says "bullsugar" and bids the SP up anyway. I'm hoping for a departure to the high side from 226 this afternoon because the storyline says that TSLA sinks slightly below the red/green line later in afternoon if we don't climb above 226 and if shorts can pull it off.
Electrek - early this morning: Tesla drops a bunch more used Model 3 inventory at surprisingly high prices - Electrek
dgodfrey
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Unfortunately, if Tesla does not post a >$251M this quarter, Q3 falls off and they need to make up that $312M. Assuming break even for Q2/19, that would require a $563M profit for Q3. Q1 is a real albatross we have to live with for few more quarters.
Edit:
I see someone already mentioned this above.
"These powerful and customized data analytics are enabling a fleet manager to gain both panoramic and granular insights over all areas of the fleet’s business. Vehicle data, married with freight flow and shipper-carrier transaction data, is enabling solution providers to predict freight haulage demand in advance. "
Meh, Project Cybersyn (the "Socialist Internet") was all over this (and more), half a century ago.
Project Cybersyn - Wikipedia
They were modeling the flow, transformation, transportation, and consumption of all major products and feedstocks throughout Chile's entire economy, with statistical models used to optimize them. Even in its partially completed state, before Allende's overthrow, it had proven immensely useful - for example, allowing them to maintain deliveries of the most critical supplies to keep Santiago running during a major truck strike and blockade of the city's major arterials using only a handful of strike breakers. It was also planned to enable workers to electronically vote on industrial policy decisions that affected them. However, when Pinochet took over, he had no clue what to make of the system, had no interest in any sort of state-management of any aspect of the economy, and had it scrapped.
Big Data has long been the dream of businesses and governments. But until recent times it was much harder to acquire and process. Tesla seems to have recognized the importance of it much more than most automakers, and I expect them to increasingly exploit it over the coming years.
EVNow
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Yes - but they will probably have about ~$200M GAAP loss this quarter without extra money from FCA.
EVNow
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In the afternoon Fed minutes will dominate the market. Depending on the mood Nasdaq can climb or dive - Tesla will probably follow suit.
The used market is interesting.
Right now the cheapest way to get a Tesla is to buy a 2012-2013 Model S, which are starting to slip below $30K. 2014s are at least $30K. 2015s and newer are at least $37K.
Used Model Xs are at least $59K. Used Roadsters start at $48K. Used Model 3s start around $40K (same as new Model 3s!)
I feel like the market for pre-Autopilot Model Ses is weaker than it should be. I think many sellers are pricing according to a standard depreciation curve, which is an error (they can get more money than that). I suspect as buyers realize what a deal these are, the going prices won't slip below $25K, probably ever (apart from damaged cars, of course). It'll probably still stay under the price of the new Model 3s, though.
I was checking it out... that 2017 M3 is gone already. Ours is like the black one, and when adding on EAP/FSD and White paint, I come very close to what we paid just over a year ago AND got the full rebate. I'd say I'm way ahead on value retention here.
Notice that neither have any added software automation. So thinking Tesla takes them in on trade (assuming), removes any software, and gets to sell the upgrades again at full retail. Nice!
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