Well yeah if teeth are involved who would?
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Well yeah if teeth are involved who would?
Compared to Supercharger network, that really is pretty much 0 infrastructure.
RobStark
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The 911 is a 2+2 and sometimes 2 seater sports car.
Taycan is a 5 passenger 4 door sedan ( or gran coupe if you prefer) with a more practical wagon version on the way.
These form factors way outsell sports cars.
BTW Porsche sells in China
https://www.porsche.com/china/en/
204EV
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but in the Winter The math says that 75mi would be basically your whole utility you would be jumping 1 station to the next stoping for 20 mins every 75 miles. I don't see 4k let alone 40k Porsche buyers spending $150K++ to do that.
humbaba
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yeah... the form factor determines sales rate, not the price? [edit: to be clear -- at $150k I don't think generic form factor arguments mean much. This isn't like $50k.]
As to China: the reason I asked is carsalesbase doesn't list Porsche for the China region. Good to know about holes in their data.
RobStark
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Only 50 kWh CHAdeMO if you buy the Adapter.
RobStark
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In a pinch, better than nothing!
Hopefully Tesla will release the CCS adapter in America that they did for Europe.
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humbaba
sleeping until $7000
aspirational 600 chargers with 75 miles in between by EOY 2020 -- that is quite the limited route coverage and it isn't here now. Not to mention that they cannot even use those charge rates.
Look, I'm glad Porsche is making the Taycan and I think it will sell. I think it is the most compelling non-Tesla EV. But 40k per year seems more than a little optimistic.
[edit: meaning, even once they have a cheaper version and pull down the ASP. That said, I'd love to be wrong. More EV sales is good. If they really can sell 40k per year, more power to them!]
RobStark
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FUD
Eventually, prices for Taycan will align more or less with Panamera's $86k-$234k
Lower priced variants with rear wheel drive and more range are coming.
I see global annual sales in the 20k-30k range.
RobStark
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humbaba
sleeping until $7000
i confess to being a bit conflicted with your post given the 'FUD' lead. The rest seems spot on.
Yes it is better. I didn’t buy the adapter and wouldn’t because the Tesla network is sufficient (when paired with destination charging).
But aren't most of the EA charging locations two stall only? I've also read about multiple outages.
RobStark
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There is a lot more Tesla owners taking up Supercharger spots. Number of spots needs to keep pace with number of cars on the road.
In the US the vast majority of Taycan owners will live in Los Angeles,Silicon Valley,Seattle, New York,Miami, Dallas, and Houston. Travel from there is where they need to focus their network density for the ultra fast chargers. Just like Tesla did.
Then Rivian will come at the end of next year adding to the pool of owners using ultra fast CCS charging.
Nope, name one legacy automaker in which their EVs are selling at the SAME volume as their equivalent gas cars? So to use their ICE cars sold to extrapolate future sale data for their EVs is flawed.
I say it again, people don't order burgers at the Chinese restaurant.
RobStark
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No most are 6 charging stalls. 1 150 kWh stall and one 350 kWh stall.
They will add as the number of cars capable of those speeds are added.
Kinda dumb to install 100k 350 kWh stalls right now.
Well, none right now because there isn't one for North America. But if it's a reasonable price then there should be quite a few takers. $450 is not a reasonable price unless you really really need it.
204EV
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while I agree with mine being the WORST case scenario its a much less forgiving market at that price. Also, they are not going to make a less expensive one with MORE range. That is very wishful thinking. I really love the look of the car (except the screens look like the os was made on a PALM PILOT) and the god awful clock. Unfortunately, Porsche miss fired on some important details and this will not be their best EV. I just hope they pass what they learned on to the Audi team before they release the E-tronGT
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