I also dare anyone to pull the weak long or "not a real believer" crap with me. I've been an evangelist for Tesla for years. I've spent countless hours of my own personal time defending and proselyting for tesla, attended countless events to show off their products, given rides to so many people to convince them to buy one, helped out with deliveries at my local SC etc.
Srsly. The folks (most of whom seem to have joined in 2018 or more recently, lol) tossing out the 'weak long' nomenclature really show themselves to be not the brightest bulbs in the chandelier. Lots of us have been closer to the company / more concrete supporters of the company / etc etc etc for a very long time. And there are many here that make me look like a neophyte.
Lol, GTFO shortie. The next Starship is leaving for Golgafrinchan. Be on it.
Like this guy, for one. Step back from the edge, cool off, and try to take in viewpoints other than the one you're so closely tied to. Your'e embarrassing yourself bigly.
The value of this forum has been on the decline but today it's worthless. I'm taking a break. It's clear there is no room for any opinion aside from "everything is perfect put all your cash in TSLA and trust Elon 100%". Reminds me of the opposite of TSLAQ.
I'm not going anywhere (literally, or figuratively), but it really has become an echo chamber that isn't nearly as far from the TSLAQ folks as I'd like it to be, or as I remember it being even as recently as six months ago. It's not healthy, and it's a shame, as this was/is? the best Tesla-related forum on the interwebs, by far.
I have been long Tesla, shares only, no margin, for many years. My average cost is under $40. I have been there for the highs (sometimes literally) and lows. One fundamental part of my investment thesis is a belief that Elon Musk is a once-in-a-generation leader. This belief is being tested today. The mental gymnastics this thread is going through to justify the tweets, to explain what they “really mean” and shouting down anyone with the temerity to question them is sad. When you try to defend the indefensible, you yourself lose credibility. Why is it so hard to accept that Musk is capable of making mistakes?
Amen. The Thai incident was bad enough, and this feels like a repeat when I had hoped that Musk had grown as a person since then.
I don’t like his comments on C19 but overlooked that as I felt people can disagree and still respect one another. I get the argument that the cure might be worse than the disease and that there are ways, and a pressing need, of safely resuming some economic activity. I’m also well aware that Musk is certainly much better informed than I am on the matter, and so I trusted him. When he started using dangerous language — and yes, words and phrasing do matter (“sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can f*** me up for life”) — I paused. These latest tweets have me fundamentally reassess my investment in Tesla for the first time.
I owe my roughly 20x gains to Musk, of that I’m certain. More importantly, the world is a better place and on a better path because of Musk's endeavours. The fact that the stock is down a bit today is irrelevant to me. TSLA always swings wildly. What has changed is the respect I have for Musk has been dented.
Double amen.
To quote my mother, “I’m not angry, just disappointed.”
Triple amen.
If you’re mad right now
1. You put all your eggs in one basket (lol)
2. Short sighted and thought you were going to get rich quick
Another post that's become far too typical here, and such surface-level thinking/discourse is a big step down from what this forum used to routinely provide. The post quoted above is objectively incorrect on its face, and yet it's representative of the groupthink lately.
I heard climate change deniers says the exactly same things too. I remember them cheer when some of the predictions turns out wrong. I remember them claiming the science is not settled. I remember them saying nobody knows whether EV reduce emissions.
I agree with this new virus the science is truly not settled yet. And I agree with argument of re-open with caution and protection.
But what he did is much more than that. He has been proven wrong about his prediction that we will see very few death by end of April. Now he began to attack the death numbers due to his confirmation bias, as if the body trucks and massive grave and the overwhelmed cremation workers in Wuhan are all fake.
The death numbers are hard to make right, there are under and over reporting at the same time but counting covid-19 related cases toward covid-19 is generally accepted way of counting. That's how flu deaths are counted. that should be the way to count covid-19 cases if we are to compare against flu
This. I've got multiple close friends and family members in the medical field, and in the field of infectious disease specifically. What Remus says is spot-on. Musk isn't calling attention to the little-seen truths of this pandemic. He's simply wrong, and digging deeper and deeper into the conspiracy. He's got rational reasons for pushing to open up in a safe manner (and I'd love to see him advocate for them effectively, in a grown-up manner!), but he undermines his cause by associating with fringe conspiracy elements.
Lots of emotions here just because Elon tweets something some don't understand?
Or is it that the SP is $75 down?
Come on, Alex. I expect better from you.
To try to explain what gets me going about these tweets--it's not the immediate impact on the stock, so much as the fact that Elon went about this in a way that he knew (remember, he's a genius, right?) would immediately have a significant negative impact on the stock. He knew it would cause lots of folks, including employees and investors, to question his judgment. And frankly, he should have known there are far better ways to do this.
Want to rage-tweet about how keeping things (and specifically Fremont) closed is too damaging, and could instead be handled better by opening with <insert appropriate mitigations here>? Great! Have someone at Tesla draft up a blog post, then rage-tweet with a reference to the post. At least then he's tweeting with a clear, rational purpose, even if he does it in a Muskian way. I'm fully on-board with that.
As it stands, Musk's recent public comments on the topic have all been either rage tweets, or the conference call audio version of a rage tweet.
The consensus here is that Musk did this to call massive attention to how poorly the local / regional / state governments are handling the situation. Great. There are ways to do that that don't necessarily involve a massive self-own against his employees and the folks most in Musk's corner. Musk is the longest-tenured automotive CEO, he's now the head of a company with many tens of thousands of employees, and he needs to know better.
That's the crux of why this situation sucks. I couldn't care less about the paper dollars that evaporated today in my account. They'll be back, I'm confident. The trust in Musk's ability to control his emotions, and to lead a public company--that's what's most damaged here.
