You've uncovered their secret methodology! Unfortunately they used a drunk monkey.
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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You've uncovered their secret methodology! Unfortunately they used a drunk monkey.
Agree with you and @smorgasbord. Near term, I'm seeing Tesla getting left behind as the sectors that have been hammered by the virus gets more inflow under the impression that the Fed will bail them out. So we're talking about airlines, cruises, GM/Ford, etc... companies with shitty balance sheet but employ a lot of people. Investors will no doubt start seeing *value* in these companies, many of which will become zombies, again. The paradigm is changing for the worse. These days I'm seeing a lot of gamblers with get rich quick schemes and games on monetary policy. 50-100% gain opportunities seems to pop up every other day.
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ByeByeJohnny
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From the Christophe Barraud on Twitter above
"Zero-emission cars would be exempted from Value Added Tax."
This would be huge. That would take 20-25% of the price of a Tesla in most countries in the EU. Think about that again. 20-25% pricecut. Granted many countries have separate subsidies already that I would assume would be cancelled but those are usually in the less than 10% region so even in those countries it would mean an additional 10-15% pricecut.
"Zero-emission cars would be exempted from Value Added Tax."
This would be huge. That would take 20-25% of the price of a Tesla in most countries in the EU. Think about that again. 20-25% pricecut. Granted many countries have separate subsidies already that I would assume would be cancelled but those are usually in the less than 10% region so even in those countries it would mean an additional 10-15% pricecut.
StealthP3D
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No. It's like a sales tax.
Maybe because the majority of owners won't use the car as a robo-taxi. So does Tesla ignore them?
powertoold
Active Member
Yes, if Tesla achieves government-approved robotaxis, they have no incentive to sell to us.
dc_h
Active Member
Hmm, yeah looks like the rail park just doing it’s own thing. Here is looking the other direction. I did not see anything going on in that direction and the photos I had seen were of the rail construction.
Need to finish Giga Berlin. Fast.
When this is achieved then we will be so wealthy that $100,000 will not seem to be a great sum.
Johann Koeber
Happy Owner
VAT Tax exemption is great for cars bought by private persons. About 2/3 of all new vehicles are bought by businesses.
Neuzulassungen von Pkw in Deutschland - Haltergruppen 2019 | Statista
This is further skewed with the more expensive cars. Businesses do not pay VAT (it is refunded to them in full).
So this - if it comes to fruition - is a two edged sword.
It shall be my private robo-limo. (Image of me and companion(s) in the back seat sipping Cristal).
VAT is like 20% on new cars in the EU, so this great for individual car purchases. If it passes this will very much support green vehicles, but not effect business purchases.
Price action lately looks like we are near fair value at the moment, hard to say what effect battery day will have.
If we have a "Broken Windows" presentation on battery day where something goes terrible, or Elon appears less than a leader we could see a small drop. Hopefully they keep the steel balls locked up and don't take any "bonehead questions"
There needs to be revolutionary content on battery day to move the stock, since the million mile battery cat is out of the bag (sorry @Krugerrand ) to get a rise.
The combination of V2G, million mile batteries, Stationary storage megapacks making VPP and Tesla being a Utility will
What we really need I think is for Tesla to execute on the Robotaxi Elontime. We also need Elon to not use his large social leverage to intentionally or unintentionally do something to drop the SP. I am convinced that he certainly know how his actions will affect SP and does them in spite of that. (i.e. Share price too high imo)
Price action lately looks like we are near fair value at the moment, hard to say what effect battery day will have.
If we have a "Broken Windows" presentation on battery day where something goes terrible, or Elon appears less than a leader we could see a small drop. Hopefully they keep the steel balls locked up and don't take any "bonehead questions"
There needs to be revolutionary content on battery day to move the stock, since the million mile battery cat is out of the bag (sorry @Krugerrand ) to get a rise.
The combination of V2G, million mile batteries, Stationary storage megapacks making VPP and Tesla being a Utility will
What we really need I think is for Tesla to execute on the Robotaxi Elontime. We also need Elon to not use his large social leverage to intentionally or unintentionally do something to drop the SP. I am convinced that he certainly know how his actions will affect SP and does them in spite of that. (i.e. Share price too high imo)
Looks to me to be only positive. If business currently pay no VAT or have it refunded they wont be effected regardless.
However the 1/3 of consumer purchases will have this 20% VAT eliminated, that should be a benefit. I fail to see the second edge?
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"Tesla Kid Grünheida" is a pretty fine drone pilot.
ProfTournesol
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If this happens, Tesla can sell the whole production only in the Netherlands, this is the best news this year, it it happens (still politics....)
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