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Does "don't fart around with options" apply to LEAPs too?
I swore I'd never do options again, and here I sit on 2 now, with leaps to '22 and $400 and $500 strikes. They are my insurance on the pandemic. They could drop like a rock, but trust Tesla will continue to grow its way out of this mess within 2 yrs.
 
Speaking of surprises, just hours ago...

1) Starlink terminal setup will have two instructions: plug in and point at sky.
2) Elon is already planning version 2 satellites at lower altitude, with less than half the already tiny latency time.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1272256986147504130

Do you feel lucky betting against this man? :)

The lower orbit Starlink operating in V-band at 214 miles altitude was made public in the FCC application last April, nothing new and not a surprise.
 
I've considered this quandary many times over the years, for most of the other carmakers too. The general problem is, when starting a race from the back, to catch whoever is in first place, you have to innovate past them. This is fine if the entity in 1st place is not innovating at all, just resting on their laurels. But if they're innovating, you have to innovate faster. This is difficult in a new field you've not gotten much expertise in, but it's do-able under the right circumstances. In this case though, the innovating entity in 1st place isn't any old innovating entity, it's TESLA who have shown an incredible rate of innovation for years, even when no-one else was racing against them. Now that it's a real race - increasing restrictions on sale of ICE vehicles all over the world - they find themselves having to innovate faster than an incredibly-quickly-innovating company. Tesla has hired all the best brains in the business. The new entrants into the race have to poach from Tesla, work with the leftovers, or hire the "new best brains" as they come out of university into the labor market - that is a slow process and not one you can rely on to win. It's as if no-one can beat Tesla, simply because Tesla entered the race first. As Elon has said, the pace of innovation is the moat. The other guys have to get across the moat - and the reason moats work is because no-one can get across them.
Eventually it will become plainly obvious that the other guys can't compete. I expect this will occur when Tesla's global market share is above 5%. At that point the financial writing will be on the wall for all manufacturers, and everyone will see that Tesla is a significant threat to all, and all they have to do to CRUSH is to expand production. Actually Tesla's ubiquity and lack of customisability might start to appear like a problem. (Only black or white seats? Five paint colors? Come on)
The last card that the other manufacturers can play is... politics. Legislation. Begging to governments for bail-outs. Even, restricting Tesla in some sort of way. The bottom line is that manufacturers like Ford aren't going to roll over and allow themselves to fold without trying their brand play against the U.S. Government. The USA is so filled with ego and self-gratification that they think some of their brands are eternal. Jobs must be saved - even if the managerial classes have been driving the companies off the cliff for the prior 10 years and no-one did anything to stop them. (CNBC never seem to introduce Bob Lutz by saying that he quit 6 months before GM went bankrupt) Ford seems too valuable that no-one will step up to buy the brand. Too many American vehicle buyers out there that just love the blue oval. They will cry out to the U.S. government to employ as many tricks as possible to keep them going. GM as well. FCA will go to wherever the money is, which when you choose between Italy and the USA... it's the USA.
Fighting against the import of foreign cars is a low-hanging fruit. This is why it has been so important for the Shanghai and Berlin factories to get built, because automakers in those territories can't complain - otherwise local workers would lose their jobs.
Sometimes I wonder if Tesla, with its 175B market cap, and Ford with its 24.75B market cap... well, if Ford was on the brink of bankruptcy and Tesla was even larger, Tesla could buy the assets and keep the brand alive. There would be an acknowledgement that an aggressive push into BEV replacements for all the Ford models would follow. All Ford vehicles would use Superchargers from then on. Probably a crazy idea. Dealerships, existing factories, unions, and so on. Seems to contradict Elon's way of working.
Ultimately it will be up to the U.S. Government to decide what to do with all the ailing vehicle companies that aren't switching to BEV fast enough. (Sorry, by the time I had typed all this in I realised it should not be in this thread :D )

To rephrase in Fighter Pilot lingo, the OEMs are in a "tail chase". They need to aim where Tesla is going to be in 10 years.

Problem is, they're still unable to jettison their ICE legacy. If they can't, they'll run out of fuel attempting this tail chase.

Then its "flame out" for old tech, and "air superiority" for EVs. :cool:

Cheers!
 
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Rearview ..VW , Jaguar, Porsche taycan. Waymo etc etc.
Right now market has handed the Tesla Killer baton to NKLA. Will be over soon.
Folks say going Short messes up your brains, but I am thinking of doing just that (buying puts) :)
Right? Then there's Uber... still running on fumes; I said the same about them a year ago. People don't switch their thesis that quickly so I wouldn't be surprised at another round for Nikola. And if they limit to ideal, routine routes, it could show savings... until Tesla Semi is in use everywhere.
 
Opinion Piece and Encouragement:

I did some multi year post trade analysis this weekend.

I have traded for many years, I think started looking into the markets in 2004 or earlier. I devoured many books and availed myself of any resource that had a shred of knowledge to it. I've traded options, futures, day traded, swing traded. I've played what was hot. Dogs of the dow, IBD growth, beaten down value, all of it was at my arsenal.

I owned Netlix as one of my first great trades. In fact, I think it was my first stock trade outside of an index fund. I bought around 30, sold around 36. I was a hero! I looked back over my kind of public blog this weekend and saw that I continued to trade in and out of NFLX, many times swayed by sentiment or price action. I looked back and saw that I owned some in November 2009, chart shows a price of $8.26, now $421 premarket. I think I had $30,000 worth of the stuff then, would now be worth >1.5M IN A ROTH IRA!!!

I owned Apple, one trade in particular was buying when it was $98, close to going above 100 for the first time. It went above 100 for a while, then things looked scary, I sold at $112, never seriously getting long or large in the stock again. More great gains left on the table.

I also owned Tesla for many years. I bought prior to all the big runs it made early on, I think somewhere around $45, sold around $165. I told myself they would need to bring the model 3 to market before more great moves, got back in much later and missed some of the move.

I am absolutely convinced that the best way to make (EARN) money in the market is to seek out great growth companies with exciting new products and services, ones that everyone will use. Great leadership. Life changing. Great business models. Buy and hold of these great growth companies and SITTING ON YOUR HANDS is the way to make life changing money. Don't trade in and out, don't fart around with options, don't get market jitters. Research enough to own your knowledge and assessment so that you can ignore the masses. There is no hand holding, group think will drown you.

Buy and hold great companies for life while living yours is the way to go. My life would be materially different if I had done this more. I think yours can be also.

Agree with you. Once in a while you get a great business model, a great company and the stock still does SH*T....One example than still haunts me is GE.
 
The forum is rather quiet today.
TSLA is up with good volume and hardly anyone is cheering.

Has everyone been raptured to mars ?
What's there to talk about? Y is scaling and will clearly take over the world. As far as I'm concerned the automotive conversation is over, outside of FSD integration into society and the economy. Until the Energy side ramps up, there's nothing to talk about. Elon has won the car war.
 
The forum is rather quiet today.
TSLA is up with good volume and hardly anyone is cheering.

Has everyone been raptured to mars ?

I think many of the TSLA traders have left a lot of gains on the table over the last several weeks so now it's down mostly to us long-term investors! And re-tracing previous gains is not nearly so entertaining as making new highs.
 
Just picked up another 100...at $300 and change. ;)

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When I get old(er), imma start a t-shirt company with the slogan

"What would JB Leonard say?"

Intraday High @ 10:00 was $935.73 :D

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Cheers to the Longs!

P.S. Looks like there is some support at -10% off the ATH Close last week:

$1025.05 *0.9 = $922.55​

Hey Dodger,

My son is forlorn, disappointed that he was beaten to the punch with: “*sugar* my dad says.”

P.S. I grew up in the shadow of the Anaheim Angels Halo. But, like all true blue Americans, I am a Dodgers fan. I suppose I should call you the Artful Dodger, but Dodger is show of respect.
 
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Crazy unpredictable stock short term. Although Electrek has reported some solar roof cancelations, the local email chain here in Portland, OR is reporting reservations not canceled.
Makes sense.
The cancellations were for areas that Tesla is not going to be servicing for the near future.
Demand > availability.