jhm
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That's fun, but how to divest ICE is one problem Musk does not need to solve.
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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I guess I want to believe, that people don’t want to shoot themselves on the foot
I guess I want to believe, that people don’t want to shoot themselves on the foot
I recommend people take the risk of this turning out badly seriously.
Really wish I knew exactly when next week this ruling is expected to happen.
Buckminster
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Heh - we're playing chicken with the EU at the moment. Find your own entertainment....
I like how he matches the Tesla.
Fred Christenhusz @FredChristenhus
We got it!!! The first Tesla Model 3 from Europe!!! @elonmusk Tesla team, thanks you did a great job!! So proud that we got the first Tesla 3 from Europe
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Found this in an old article, re: the upcoming commerce report (still looking for a more precise date for the report to come out):
"After being delivered the final Commerce report, Trump will have up to 90 days to decide on what action, if any, is taken; this brings the approximate deadline for enacting tariffs based on the Commerce probe to April. For now, the trade will continue as status quo."
Well, that's a little better. E.g. good news could come soon, but bad news would be pushed off by 90 days - during which A) Tesla could flood Europe with as many cars as it could manage, and giving Tesla more time to get its prices down; and B) that 90 days would provide significant incentive for both sides to strike a deal.
"After being delivered the final Commerce report, Trump will have up to 90 days to decide on what action, if any, is taken; this brings the approximate deadline for enacting tariffs based on the Commerce probe to April. For now, the trade will continue as status quo."
Well, that's a little better. E.g. good news could come soon, but bad news would be pushed off by 90 days - during which A) Tesla could flood Europe with as many cars as it could manage, and giving Tesla more time to get its prices down; and B) that 90 days would provide significant incentive for both sides to strike a deal.
Gradually?? After essentially 2 and 1/2 quarters of production, M3 is the #1 selling luxury car in the U.S. for 2018. Maybe she'd get straightened out, if she only knew this well-guarded secret.
Pezpunk
Active Member
i think the qualifying word "luxury" there would be a sticking point for her. that's why i said gradually. getting the true $35k M3 as a feasible margin-positive endeavor is (absolutely understandably) taking some time to achieve.
Just like with correlation, chronology does not imply causality.
humbaba
sleeping until $7000
I really need the "sad but true" option
Yes, I get it. You're right about the sticking point. Any corporation making money for its shareholders is going to be a problem .My last sentence was TIC.
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There are many routes to socialism and some routes to capitalism fail spectacularly. One example of the latter is Russian capitalism in 1917 and now once again. Of the former, one could argue Lenin's revolution was spectacularly successful and then well under repair in the direction of a mixed economy under NEP much the same as China, Vietnam, and Laos today. Even under Stalin, though he had an opportunity to head off Hitler's rise to power, and though victory in Europe was massively aided by US economic aid to the USSR, Hitler was largely defeated at Stalingrad and onward well before Operation Overlord was finally implemented.
Takeway: Sweeping arguments about complicated historical events are often wrong. So much so decades ago Harvard initiated courses in the uses and abuses of history. Take for example the decision to install the Shah in Iran by deposing the democratically elected secular regime in 1953 ostensibly because Mossadegh wanted to nationalize the oil industry. Then the Shah nationalized it! (So important to keep oil out of the hands of the people.)
In our case in the 1970s oil crisis one of the group projects in my class examined the possibility of nationalizing oil here and rejected it, not because it would be socialist but because we would have to nationalize our government first. AOC, E Warren, and others are attempting that now. They will make mistakes and they will be frustrated by the Senate, but by 2020 who knows what the terrain will be? By protecting Trump and implementing their dream policies what the Republicans have done is ensure the revolt of the masses. Where is Bob Dylan when the chimes are changing again?
TheTalkingMule
Distributed Energy Enthusiast
If you folks were going to do a BUY order tomorrow with IRA funds... What SP would you enter in the BUY order thingy? I hear mutterings of possible SP in the 280's even...
Looking for a little advice from the knowing elders among us.... Much appreciated!
Looking for a little advice from the knowing elders among us.... Much appreciated!
Mader Levap
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I couldn't help notice that you didn't bothered to provide counterexamples.
Why tomorrow? Why not today or next week? If your intent is to hold, buy now @306.
It's great when all carmakers make serious effort to bring good EVs to the market in a timely fashion.
Unfortunately I think Polestar will never come to the market because Tesla moves too fast. Based on their numbers, Polestar won't be able to compete with Model 3 on anything, including price. I'm pretty sure Volvo guys understand Tesla is not standing still. This Polestar won't even be able to compete with today's Model 3, let alone tomorrow's Model 3 and Model Y. They should just cancel the project and start from scratch. This is hard for them.
Car industry is being disrupted. Many legacy car companies will bankrupt in this process. The earlier they realize this, the better.
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