Krugerrand
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People have AS already, just hasn’t been deployed to the fleet yet - because it has to be child proof or we’ll have a bunch of people trying to pull all sorts of stunts with it.
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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People have AS already, just hasn’t been deployed to the fleet yet - because it has to be child proof or we’ll have a bunch of people trying to pull all sorts of stunts with it.
Wapner apparently did not like having his intimate source Chanos being dissed by another guest, and by implication Wapner himself being made to look bad on-air. It's hard to know where in the CNBC chain it was decided to edit out the Tesla comments, but I assume it started with Wapner. Wapner's slip of, "We are betting against...", may have been a significant consideration.
Besides Wapner, the other daily talent on CNBC who has been aggressively negative on Tesla is money manager Tim Seymour of the "Fast Money" panel. He has admitted to being short Tesla. However earlier this week he appeared together with ARK Invest's Cathie Wood in what was promoted to be a Tesla debate. It was pretty much one-sided as Wood dazzled Seymour, keeping him relatively subdued and almost humbled. I wonder if Seymour is still short Tesla?
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Krugerrand
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They raised money in 2018. 500m. Market all mad because they didn’t get their fees. Too bad, so sad. That’s what happens when you think you’re entitled to something you aren’t, when you think you’re pullinh all the strings and aren’t. I hope Tesla does that again. And again.
Reciprocity
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Stepping on the throat of the eturd, ipace, eqc and taycant before they can even get their legs under them. Tesla quoted as saying: all your compliances are belong to us!
Reciprocity
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That is not true*. Level 3 would not require nagging and hands-on-wheel driver all the time.
In a level 3 system, the driver would need to take over only in case
a) the car requested it -- recognizing a situation it could not handle automatically
or
b) there was a system failure (e.g. broken suspension) or other extreme situation outside normal conditions that the human noticed
The current Navigate on Autopilot today makes plenty of mistakes that requires the human driver to take over just to correct the mistakes. For example, see the 7 mistakes I documented in just a half hour drive using NoA:
Autopilot disengagement, driving etc. out of main.
ps * IF (and only) IF NoA worked absolutely 100% perfectly, never needing human intervention under normal operating circumstances AND they removed the nagging feature, then it would satisfy the SAE level 3 definition.
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Yeah he was pretty much outmatched and non confrontational. I think that happens when you don't have much to begin with and your against a sharp smart person.
larmor
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Yes hyper performance is expected for tesla in order to counter carbon monoxide generting combustion engine vehicles... Here is the potential Shortsville Times headline: Tesla can only produce 1000 cars per week from brand new factory, and none of their cars run on gas, tesla is running on fumes...
Oops. You are right. Although I think we can assume that they will have been sold by the end of Q2. So let's say they sold around 18-19k cars in April, and they have 10-11k in transit at the end (to Europe / China).
Reciprocity
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Elon Musk's technical sophistication is "second to none," @chamath says. https://cnb.cx/2GQAgBP CNBC link is on twitter now
Elon Musk's technical sophistication is "second to none," @chamath says. https://cnb.cx/2GQAgBP CNBC link is on twitter now
dc_h
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Plus 2450 cars in Canada. Likely about 10,000 in transit delivered in China and Europe, so could be about 25,000 in April. They do need to step up deliveries in USA and Canada to15,000 and hopefully closer to 18,000. Get those 5 ships delivered this month and they could hit 30,000 in May.
dc_h
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Yes. All ships in May should make it as well. First week of June can make it to China.
Looks like the 15 of you who disagreed with my initial disappointment were correct. TSLA didn't really fare any worse after the report than before. 90K still seems unattainable though without a serious wave at the end of the quarter.
This is not true.
The hands on wheel is a form of driver monitoring, not human intervention. It’s covered by level 3 requirements.
Also, SAE doc specifically says the human is expected to pay attention to the behavior of the car and take over when it’s clearly doing something wrong(I believe the example it gives is car pulling to the side erroneously). It gives no guarantee to the quality of the system, it just has to do with when the system directly asks the human to take over.
That's right CNBC. You don't mess with us TSLA long investors. We will dissect anything and then others will take that and create articles that will spread across the world.
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Hands on wheel is necessary, because it is a level 2 system, with the human having full responsibility.
The example you talk about (pulling to side, Example 3 on page 12) is when a mechanical failure happens!
Look at table 1 on page 19 of the SAE document for definition of various automation levels.
Level 3 requires that the ADS (Automated Driving System) performs the entire DDT (Dynamic Driving Task) while the user is receptive to ADS-issued request to intervene as well as system failures (such as a mechanical failure).
The human is not responsible for correcting driving mistakes. Note the wording of level 2 in contrast, which requires the driver to supervise the system. Tesla NoA currently very much requires supervision by the driver, and it is not just my opinion but clearly stated in the manual and you have to acknowledge that fact when you enable the feature in the setup menu.
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