It's a difference of opinion here. Some people are more alert with AP on because they know they are beta testing and helping the system train. I find myself to have similar drowsiness with AP on or off. I did find myself hitting lane markers yesterday with AP off and drowsy..so it's definitely safer to have AP on when you are that tired.
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It's a difference of opinion here. Some people are more alert with AP on because they know they are beta testing and helping the system train. I find myself to have similar drowsiness with AP on or off. I did find myself hitting lane markers yesterday with AP off and drowsy..so it's definitely safer to have AP on when you are that tired.
Have we gone from VW DieselGate to VW InflateGate? It's not entirely clear, but, again, the likes of @ZachShahan reaching out to VW could clear this up. Even if they stonewall follow up questions, that would be suggestive that there's some inflation.
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Ugh, the orange color in front of the driver is highly distractive, to the extent of being a safety hazard.
I do think this strategy of having min and max numbers on European cycle is a great strategy when efficiency is your main shortcoming. It really muddles the water and confuses everyone...which is exactly their point. Have a max hyper miled number using the European cycle around to be at Tesla's range and suddenly there's a Tesla killer in the making.
Well, it should keep the driver on full alert ..
adiggs
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Q1 2020
It was a really hard decision, as there's so many great people here and elsewhere that I've interacted with. Ultimately however I decided to give back to the people who'd been donating to help with my forestry project, and used the code of the top donor.
This is something like 12 times more than I've ever paid for a car in my life.
Congrats Karen! I can confirm that the wait sucks
I think our first electric (pictured to the left) - we paid something like 4-6X more than any previous vehicle. It's a pretty common occurrence among Tesla owners. It's a big dynamic that I don't understand how auto industry investors (or competitors) don't notice and make better note of.
There's a wave of people doing this with Teslas. I'd never have plunked down even $20k (much less the $80k the used Roadster cost) for a gas burner. Merc / Audi / Cadillac / Porsche / name your luxury brand - clearly I could afford one, and they've never even made the list of vehicles for consideration.
Q1 2020
It was a really hard decision, as there's so many great people here and elsewhere that I've interacted with. Ultimately however I decided to give back to the people who'd been donating to help with my forestry project, and used the code of the top donor.
This is something like 12 times more than I've ever paid for a car in my life.
I feel your pain. Something like Q1 2021 for my Model Y.
By November 4th, the ARKQ ETF intends to have narrowed its focus to autonomous technology and robotics companies.
SEC Filing: https://secfilings.nasdaq.com/filingFrameset.asp?FilingID=13628646&RcvdDate=9/5/2019&CoName=ARK ETF TRUST&FormType=497K&View=html
Apparently this news attracted interest, as the ETF's trading volume greatly expanded today, while it closed at the high of the session with a gain of 1.37%.
I assume that over the next eight weeks, ARKQ will be trimming away its holdings that don't fit the refined criteria, add some new stocks that do, and expand its positioning in companies that are already appropriate.
Yeah at least it is not Yellow!
Boy, it sure is a shame that Tesla may not be following the Nurburgring protocol to record an official record time.
Just like Porsche apparently didn't.
I haven't independently verified this, so take it with a grain of salt until someone else confirms.
Just like Porsche apparently didn't.
I haven't independently verified this, so take it with a grain of salt until someone else confirms.
humbaba
sleeping until $7000
edit: oops, apparently that article was just out of date:
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Todd Burch
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FYI: Sleeping Tesla driver will be on NBC Nightly News any minute now.
humbaba
sleeping until $7000
as far as the ID.3 ranges go, I hope this at least clears the claims up:
Vision made reality: world premiere of the ID.3
45 kWh: 330 km WLTP (not yet released, "less than" €30,000)
58 kWh: 420 km WLTP (1ST, "less than" €40,000)
77 kWh: 550 km WLTP
Using the +12% correction factor I found for WLTP <-> EPA the 205 mile range would actually amount to 183 miles. The ID.3 1ST would have 233 mile range which implies 249 Wh/mile. That's pretty good and I'm not sure that I believe it, but it is plausible.
Vision made reality: world premiere of the ID.3
This breaks down to:
45 kWh: 330 km WLTP (not yet released, "less than" €30,000)
58 kWh: 420 km WLTP (1ST, "less than" €40,000)
77 kWh: 550 km WLTP
Using the +12% correction factor I found for WLTP <-> EPA the 205 mile range would actually amount to 183 miles. The ID.3 1ST would have 233 mile range which implies 249 Wh/mile. That's pretty good and I'm not sure that I believe it, but it is plausible.
Todd Burch
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NBC news story was pretty good. Even had their correspondent drive a Tesla to show that the system warns the driver, so it was fair.
There was no anti-Tesla sentiment...just anti-stupid driver sentiment.
There was no anti-Tesla sentiment...just anti-stupid driver sentiment.
That’s not how I took it. It was still anti Tesla and knocking the autopilot name. They had to rehash the AP related crashes over the last few years. Unbelievable.
Meanwhile people fail to realize all the crashes that do occur from no autopilot features and drowsy drivers.
“The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration estimates that drowsy driving was responsible for 72,000 crashes, 44,000 injuries, and 800 deaths in 2013. However, these numbers are underestimated and up to 6,000 fatal crashes each year may be caused by drowsy drivers.”
Dangers of Drowsy Driving
Yes these drivers need to be fined heavily AND pay attention. But it sure seems like the media and the NTSB are trying to position themselves as saying these Tesla vehicles are dangerous.
It's fine to rehash the AP related crashes because you don't want to come off as sleeping with AP on is safe. As for the auto pilot name, just like what Elon said, people need to look up what it's suppose to mean vs what they feel it means. People literally thinks pilot sleeps when auto pilot is engaged because their source is from Airplane!, the movie...
sweter
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Really? It looks to me, especially the tablet, as designed by someone from Fisher-Price.
If it was solely to “educate Tesla owners” to remind them Autopilot is not fully autonomous....then ok...I suppose.
But that is NOT how john q public interprets it. Every time something like that comes up, different people have come up to me and said, “I’d never buy a Tesla, they are unsafe.” Or “aren’t you worried about crashing?”
It was on ABC News as well. Pretty amazing a car can drive itself but they didn't mention that of course. All they said was that it was a Tesla and they didn't know if he woke up. Of course had he crashed that would have made it to every sleazebag website so I'd guess he woke up when the car started to warn him or it was all fake.
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