A) Emphasis on "the claimed"... and Tesla not standing still.
B) I agree some folks still do equate luxury with dead tortured animals, but BEV buyers might be among the vanguard of the eco-conscious who know animal agriculture contributes to climate change more than transportation.
C) Never heard of this hardship for Model S passengers.
D) Tesla
discontinued their executive rear seats. Not enough demand?
E) Wait two weeks.
A) I agree about "claimed," that's why I worded it that way. But it still answers your original questioning of "why anyone would buy" a Lucid air. You do remember your original question, right? I answered it and you have no rebuttal on this point.
B) You agree with me on this, then, too. Why are you posting this response?
C) You never heard of Model S rear passenger discomfort? Read the TMC forums, or heck, be 6' tall and sit in the back yourself.
Rear Seat Legroom?
Consumer Reports Talking Cars
D) Sure, Tesla discontinued their "executive rear seats" maybe because they weren't executive enough. You think Tesla's offering was as good as Lucid's appears to be? Defend it if you can. Lucid's is far better for the China market in my view.
E) Look, again, you asked "why anyone would buy" a Lucid and I reported back with range. Telling me to wait 2 weeks to hear about some potential future range promise from Tesla doesn't invalidate that reason today.
I see. Only slightly "drastically different."
No young people with money in Beverly Hills? Have you been there?
Stop being so defensive. I didn't say anything about your tirades on "drastically different" not being different enough or drastic enough. You may not think Lucid's design is appealing but you can't deny that some people will find Lucid's design more appealing than what Tesla offers today. You can pick on Lucid's "drastic"
claims all you want, I'm not defending the claims, just the design itself.
As for your "no young people with money" counter-argument, you really need stop being so defensive that you resort to claiming I said things I didn't actually say. I didn't say there weren't young people with money in BH (or anywhere), I said young people were not Lucid's target market. If you can't see the difference, then you shouldn't be posting here. If you're going to attempt to put words in my mouth, then you shouldn't be posting here.
Man-o-man, chill out brother. A fan rendering that looks exactly like the front half of Cybertruck does indeed give an idea what Cybercar could look like. And I'm not saying Cybercar will appeal to leather-loving same-only-different buyers. I said it will appeal to lots of buyers. Nighty night.
Me chill? You're the one who is so desperate to defend Tesla that you show something that Tesla doesn't even make or has said they'll make! If you're going to say Tesla is more innovative with design, then you need to show actual Tesla innovative designs, not fanboi renderings. What we actually have from Tesla is a very staid Model S exterior design, and as a matter of fact, Tesla is on record that making Model S look NOT DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT than ICE cars was a design goal for them.
And since I know you'll deny that as you denied the easy to find complaints on Model S rear seats, here's what Franz himself as said: "Our goal is to modernize the design of the classic sedan silhouette ...." (
Model S: Designing the Perfect Endurance Athlete) Or read this article on Franz and his designs before Cybertruck:
Why the Cybertruck is a breakthrough for Tesla and designer Franz von Holzhausen where Model S is described as a "perfectly normal-looking all-electric sedan."
Tesla has not and is not offering anything
drastic in Model S exterior design. That was an advantage for them compared to Nissan Leaf's bugeye headlights and upright front and I3's skinny tires and eco-coloring and tall/skinny profile. For some reason other OEMs thought that EVs had to look different, but when they made them look different they made them look worse in most people's eyes. Model S has a frunk because Franz felt that people didn't want something drastically different even if an EV doesn't need that a long hood since it doesn't have an engine. It would actually be more practical to move the front seats further towards the front (visibility and increased space in the rear), but that would look too drastically different and Franz/Tesla didn't want that.
