Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[ZeApelido]

Come on now, I'm not sure it's fair to ignore the in-cab soda fountain! Using the waste water from hydrogen fuel cells to make soda pop is pure genius.

Why can't Tesla innovate on this level? Is this why we can't have nice things?

/s

You have exposed yourself as a robot, no one calls it that.

The correct names is obviously "pop".

 

[Curt Renz]

Benzinga - half hour ago: Tesla Shares Quiet; Hearing S&P Decision Coming At 5:15 p.m. EST On Whether All Shares Will Be Included On Dec. 21 Or If It Will Happen Over Two Days

 

[StealthP3D]

You have exposed yourself as a robot non-soda pop drinker, no one pop drinker calls it that.

FTFY

 

[JBRR]

UPDATE: S&P's decision on Tesla slated for after the close
(MarketWatch) -- by Claudia Assis
Addition in tranches thought to be more likely
S&P Dow Jones Indices will reveal how it will add Tesla Inc. to its benchmark S&P 500 index after the stock market closes on Monday.
Whether Tesla (TSLA) will be added all at once or in tranches will be known at 5:15 p.m. Eastern, an S&P Dow Jones Indices spokesperson confirmed.

 

[ZeApelido]

Short interest keeps going down

https://twitter.com/ihors3/status/1333490594635767811

 

[bkp_duke]

Short interest keeps going down

https://twitter.com/ihors3/status/1333490594635767811

Thanks. That's still a @#$% ton of shares to cover during the coming month.

 

[pz1975]

The only negative I see from an S&P announcement if if they choose neither of their proposed options. 1 tranche or 2 over a couple weeks - that shouldn't make any sort of difference on this run-up. I put the odds of deviating from those original choices (like over 1-2 quarters) as very low so I fully expect the SP to continue its run-up tomorrow.

 

[pz1975]

Short interest keeps going down

https://twitter.com/ihors3/status/1333490594635767811

Short interest in $ is a more important metric - that keeps going up even as the # of shares goes down.

 

[bkp_duke]

The only negative I see from an S&P announcement if if they choose neither of their proposed options. 1 tranche or 2 over a couple weeks - that shouldn't make any sort of difference on this run-up. I put the odds of deviating from those original choices (like over 1-2 quarters) as very low so I fully expect the SP to continue its run-up tomorrow.

But is that even remotely possible? I know in "theory" it is, but as others have mentioned, it would open them up to Billions in lawsuits.

 

[Tslynk67]

Volume has reduced slightly, almost flat, but shorted interest, i.e. value of the short position has gone up massively since the inclusion announcement - and you would imagine a lot of those positions need to be unwound in the coming weeks...

WTF are they thinking?

And this is just the shorting we know about... Just need Tesla to announce a nw 2:1 split on the 22nd Dec and...

Oh boy, that would be some Xmas present.

Short interest keeps going down

https://twitter.com/ihors3/status/1333490594635767811

 

[Nocturnal]

But is that even remotely possible? I know in "theory" it is, but as others have mentioned, it would open them up to Billions in lawsuits.

Agreed. That would cause a lot of consternation from people with some real money to throw around.

 

[Tslynk67]

Hmmm, when is the %age weighting of $TSLA in the S&P being set, is that today after market close? If yes, might this be the reason behind the immense effort to keep it down?

Just wondering...

 

[Zextraterrestrial]

I was hoping today might be Cybertruck Update Monday too?
When did Elon mention that they were going to show the updated CT in about a month?
not that is should materially change SP unless it has some new features or specs that are 'amazing'

kinda expecting FSD will push stock up though. now that they are seen as well more than 3 'companies' by a few smart peeps


....so wanted it to be cybertruck monday when it crossed my mind yesterday

 

[pz1975]

But is that even remotely possible? I know in "theory" it is, but as others have mentioned, it would open them up to Billions in lawsuits.

Agree - that's why I think the odds of that are very low.

 

[Todd Burch]

Anyone have any theories as to why they're trying so hard to keep us red today?

 

[UkNorthampton]

With regard to the long term fundamentals of Tesla: demand can only increase

People's attitudes to pollution are changing. This will have far-ranging effects on local governments, insurers, fossil fuel, environmental protection, recruiting staff etc. In particular, this will lead to restrictions on fossils (including banning ICE from whole areas) and more support for EVs and Tesla

Shell in court over claims it hampered fossil fuels phase-out

rather than quote extensively, here are some of the main points:-

• court in The Hague / Royal Dutch Shell / Dutch law
• knowingly fought global phase-out of fossil fuels
• high CO2 emissions
• claimed is breaching article 6:162 of the Dutch civil code
• violating articles 2 and 8 of the European convention on human rights –
• the right to life and the right to family life
• causing a danger to others
• Shell responsible for c. 1% of global emissions
• company is investing billions more in oil / gas
• internal and external documents
• Shell known about climate change since the 1950s and large-scale consequences since 1986
• was seeking to become more sustainable in the 1990s
• changed course in 2007 - most polluting fossil fuels including shale gas.
• public relations campaigns to mislead (have you see their shoite on twitter?)
• lobbied against ambitious climate action and policies.

Air pollution where girl died in London 'should have been treated as emergency'
Very sad case of 9 year old who died in 2013 of pollution/asthma in London

• Coroner / inquest into Council (local government), transport authorities and more
• article 2 – the right to life – of the Human Rights Act (similar to above)

much more at link, I don't feel I can do a good job of summarising it

 

[vikings123]

Hmmm, when is the %age weighting of $TSLA in the S&P being set, is that today after market close? If yes, might this be the reason behind the immense effort to keep it down?

Just wondering...

Anyone have any theories as to why they're trying so hard to keep us red today?

Honestly except for the Monday morning MMD I think we are seeing normal action.

Traders probably got spooked because of the dip today and are likely just waiting for the 5:15 decision just to remove any "uncertainty". Once the "uncertainty" is over you will see them accumulate again. Traders love to book profits and typically have no clue about the company's fundamentals and/or S&P dynamics. They just read a news snippet and make decisions based on that. They do however play a key role in price discovery.

 

[Nocturnal]

No idea why but somebody likes $580.

With regard to the long term fundamentals of Tesla: demand can only increase

People's attitudes to pollution are changing. This will have far-ranging effects on local governments, insurers, fossil fuel, environmental protection, recruiting staff etc. In particular, this will lead to restrictions on fossils (including banning ICE from whole areas) and more support for EVs and Tesla

Lots of people think we will have cheap gas for a long time, even many who see the EV revolution happening. I wonder how cheap gas will really be after these oil companies are hit with climate change lawsuits that make those doled out to the tobacco companies look like pennies. Not to mention additional taxes to assist victims and pay for clean agendas.

 

[Gabos]

Anyone have any theories as to why they're trying so hard to keep us red today?

Spooked traders and WS entities using their last chance to hold the lid of this pressure cooker before it blasts up?

 

[TravelFree]

I've had small buy orders at different levels below $580 today. Half of them executed so somebody is selling.

Once today's FUD is behind us how fast will the SP for TSLA go up, or down, or will it just stay steady? This is my first time experiencing a move based on S&P index required to buy so much of the float.