They are in Norway so I'd guess it could happen elsewhere too. Usually a gradual change with both fossils and electricity offered.
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Yeah but gas stations are already strategically placed on well-traveled routes and hooked up to the grid. it would make sense to start adding chargers/converting some of them now.
And even better, yes, let's get rid of the buried, leaking fuel tanks, seems like a win-win to me. I'd rather clean up already existing gas station locations rather than cutting down more trees and clearing more land.
Krugerrand
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Guess I’ll have to change my brand of poison.Warning: Electrek15 Tesla Semi electric trucks are expected to be delivered to PepsiCo this year - Electrek
PepsiCo says that it is expecting 15 Tesla Semi electric trucks by the end of the year, giving us better insights into Tesla’s plan to produce and deliver the electric truck.
(+ Jerome in charge, Semi charging ahead ....)
Thank God, I was worried she was going to start slurring words again and challenging hedges to fist fight!
FUD is FUD. If it's not this, there will certainly be a long list of other things the FUDsters can point to. Tesla should not give one iota of consideration to FUD as it plows ahead into the future. Keep the eyes on the prize.Tesla building out charging infrastructure in US with some government support / money involved may be good news for the mission and some extra revenue stream, but think of the media / analyst FUD: Tesla being bailed out by government subsidies yet again...
Do we really need that ?
Nobody will be able to make Gordo shut up about it for the next 3 years.
woodisgood
Optimustic Pessimist
That's an interesting point. The current parking stall model can definitely be improved upon for many use cases.
I guess I just look at it as a lot of land in prime locations that is going to be ultimately abandoned, much like car dealerships. If you can convert it to something similar without a lot of redevelopment, like how Tesla has obtained existing dealerships, that can keep costs down (environmental rehab concerns raised upthread notwithstanding).
Gas stations also usually have the building for a convenience store / facilities / cafe / lounge, which is slightly more important with a 15-30 minute charge. A "gas station conversion program" on a national level might streamline some of the roadblocks to obtaining the properties, rehabbing them as necessary, and getting utility work done. Maybe it gives gas station owners a favorable out because surely they see the writing on the wall. Obviously would be considered an overstep of eminent domain but either this is a national/global emergency or it isn't.
...Or you just incentivize charger installations so commercial owners want to take up portions of their parking lots with chargers and Tesla keeps doing what it's doing. Money gets it done eventually, but if you want it to be fast, need more than money IMHO.
I would like to see the US Govt build out a Semi truck charging network and establish a DC charging standard with Tesla being the prime contractor.
Key word here is "plans" I think the collective here has seen many, many "plans" over the years.
Rivian plans a network of 10,000 EV chargers in North America by 2023
Rivian is countering Tesla by planning a network of 10,000 EV chargers across the US and Canada by 2023.www.engadget.com
Rivian claims they are
aargh, I'll need to change Revenue per Handle in my projections.
it will be nice when this downdraft is done with for awhile and we see a leg or 3 UP
Omg plz no...... The thought of even smelling that makes me gag a thousand gags
StealthP3D
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The closest Tesla Service/Delivery Center to me was added about a year or so ago and Google Street View still showed it as the old GMC Dealership last time I looked. It's in Lynnwood, WA.
Out with the old, in with the new!
My local SC took over an old Kmart or something similar when they upgraded. It already seems to be at capacity though so not sure if they planned for enough growth.
Not sure of the actual numbers, but it seems like most gas stations are near where people live as opposed to being along travel routes. EV fast charging will tend to have the opposite need. Most don't need charging near home, but instead along those long routes.
Not sure of the actual numbers, but it seems like most gas stations are near where people live as opposed to being along travel routes. EV fast charging will tend to have the opposite need. Most don't need charging near home, but instead along those long routes.
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Krugerrand
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Forgive me if I don’t hold my breath for that.Rivian plans a network of 10,000 EV chargers in North America by 2023
Rivian is countering Tesla by planning a network of 10,000 EV chargers across the US and Canada by 2023.
Rivian claims they are
LiveLong&Profit
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Hm... sounds very likely. If true:
- Very timely political move: Shows that Tesla is ahead. Almost Instant roll-out. Tons of goodwill.
- Pre-cursor for getting public funding. Tesla can execute very quickly, so they may take a huge chunk of that market if a public tender is on the horizon
- As stated elsewhere: Free PR. People stuck in non-Tesla brand can see 2-5 cars coming while still charging.
Extra options:
- Price it low (but add time of use fee: Let customers from other brands see how much they are being gouged. Let them compare Tesla chargers: Fast, easy, convenient with competitors: Slow, not maintained, not well located, payment trouble.
- Add star-link: Supply free fast WIFI. All the non-tesla cars might be stopped over for 1½-2 hours - or more.
- Add small cafeterias, with baristas. No commercials, but info-screens, where people can request more info on Tesla - if and when they feel like it.
- Use semis outfitted with superchargers/'citychargers' for holiday peak use support. Of course only possible if Tesla can produce a couple of hundred semis quickly, but the rumor mill has it that semi is on the way.
Tesla's mobile payment app will also be a trojan horse for measuring interest and driving sales to other Tesla products. Its is a gateway drug.
asburgers
Sell order in at $8008.5
Ross Gerber on Youtube with Young Investor:
- Values TSLA at $1000 within 2 years (once both Berlin and Austin are running)
- Valuation excludes robotaxi
- Expects Q1 miss
- TSLA insurance arm basically acts as a broker and will be a profitable revenue stream
- In no one's analysis but can have huge value: Tesla's entertainment network (ie. Zoom integration, food ordering, entertainment apps)
- Thinks Cybertruck will be more of a challenge than Semi due to new process
The rant on Mach E is funny.
- "Gordon hasn't gone down to a Ford dealership to buy a Mach E"
- "One of the hardest things I tried to do is to try and buy a Mach E. The guy at the dealership literally tried to talk me out of buying one."
- "This Mike Levine guy is a MURDERER of the environment."
Even the 13 year old is mocking this Jordan Gordson 0.1 star analyst. "No I don't read his research, I just like making fun of it...endless entertainment."
On Lucid: Good company, car, but they need to make one. Not convinced that scaling will be easy for them. Best position of the upstarts to scale due to battery expertise.
On Fisker: Trying to do a deal with AAPL. May have problems scaling. Some of these legacy automakers are cocky thinking the hardest part is making the car (and not the electronics).
- Values TSLA at $1000 within 2 years (once both Berlin and Austin are running)
- Valuation excludes robotaxi
- Expects Q1 miss
- TSLA insurance arm basically acts as a broker and will be a profitable revenue stream
- In no one's analysis but can have huge value: Tesla's entertainment network (ie. Zoom integration, food ordering, entertainment apps)
- Thinks Cybertruck will be more of a challenge than Semi due to new process
The rant on Mach E is funny.
- "Gordon hasn't gone down to a Ford dealership to buy a Mach E"
- "One of the hardest things I tried to do is to try and buy a Mach E. The guy at the dealership literally tried to talk me out of buying one."
- "This Mike Levine guy is a MURDERER of the environment."
Even the 13 year old is mocking this Jordan Gordson 0.1 star analyst. "No I don't read his research, I just like making fun of it...endless entertainment."
On Lucid: Good company, car, but they need to make one. Not convinced that scaling will be easy for them. Best position of the upstarts to scale due to battery expertise.
On Fisker: Trying to do a deal with AAPL. May have problems scaling. Some of these legacy automakers are cocky thinking the hardest part is making the car (and not the electronics).
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Anyone feel like they understand ratings agencies and their ratings well enough to know what would catalyze Tesla’s rating to rise about junk.
Would being profitable without credits make a difference? I have one of those gut feelings Q1 is going to be pretty awesome and I’m trying to think of things that could surprise and look awesome on the Q1 ER
Would being profitable without credits make a difference? I have one of those gut feelings Q1 is going to be pretty awesome and I’m trying to think of things that could surprise and look awesome on the Q1 ER
woodisgood
Optimustic Pessimist
Definitely true. As with all things, there would be stations ideal for conversion, and those that aren't.
Starlink receivers are directional, so if they are to be mounted on moving vehicles then they would need to be articulated to keep signal, I guess much like your TV satellite dish has to be pointing at the satellite and have a clear line of sight.
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