Well we always have this to look forward to:
That AGI enough for us!
I know it's fake but damn!
I know it's fake but damn!
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Completely discredited everything else you said with that BS statement.The truck is a huge fail.
A lot of people around here made a lot of money with that gigantic billion dollar comp package.Nah bro cant do my job at one of the largest companies on the planet that has already paid me out gigantic billion dollar comp package. I need at least 25% then I’ll be all good. Hey it’s not my fault I sold down some shares. But if that don’t happen I’m gonna just keep starting rival companies and taking talent with me. But I’m still CEO though no worries.
How come I am seeing 13% stake from multiple sources. How did you get 20%? Stake in the company vs voting rights are different?No individual has even REMOTELY a similar amount of shares, let alone over 20% of em.
I don't think there's more than like 2 guys at even ONE percent (KoGuan Leo and Larry Ellison)
According to this no institutions own even 5% of the stock other than Vanguard at a 6.74%
If Elon wants to dilute me 5% when Tesla reaches $10T I won't be crying about it. Maybe fewer tranches in the next round with bigger intervals. 1% every $2T increase in market cap.
There are 2 halves to any negotiation.
To unlock the higher rewards from any package, there may be a few requirements:-
If both sides get everything that they want I am happy, but in order to be rewarded, Elon needs to deliver.
- Tesla bigger than Apple and ARAMCO combined.
- 1 Million profitable working Optimus Robots.
- 1 Million profitable working FSD Robotaxis
- 20 Million vehicles produced annually,
- Inhouse battery cell production of 1 TWh per year
- Dojo as a service.
Elon has some idea of what is coming, I think that is why he is negotiating now.,
One thing I think we all agree on is that X was/is NOT (edited) the best place to negotiate it. At least from a stock holder's perspective because of the potential negative impact on the SP.Maybe look around to see what others has. Perhaps 25% is the threshold in which not one institution or person can override him but requires multiple.
How dare people on a Tesla investment forum care when the CEO of Tesla says he will no longer work on two big growth projects at Tesla because he wants more shares, and threatens to instead work on them at other companies he starts in competition to Tesla.
Let's say that the board were to approve share buybacks recently, lets also say this puts the TSLA stock price down over the coming weeks months, wouldn't this be a great time to A. get a new pay package, and B. Remove shares in the pool to get him over the 25% hump?Elon's 2021/2022 sales reduced his projected ownership stake 3.2% (of the company)
Ownership as reported to SEC is share plus option count irrespective of ability to turns those into shares at 1:1. With 50% tax, only half are realizable
Ownership ending 2018: 21.7%, post exercise 21.0%
507,370,200 shares 71,221,650 options (adjusted)
These options are from the 2012 plan, not the 2018
Ownership 2019: 20.8% post exercise: 20.1%
511,283,400 shares 68,596,650 (non-2018)
Ownership 2020: 22.4% post exercise: 20.7%
511,478,955 shares 169,916,850 options (some 2018)
Ownership 2021: 21.2% post exercise: 19.6%
517,824,753 shares 177,320,865 options (only 2018s)
Ownership end 2022: 20.6% post exercise 18.8%
411,051,576 shares 303,971,130 options
Backing out all sales, post exercise he would be at 22.0% (26.9% SEC version)
545,581,725 shares and 303,971,130 options
He's the reason the stock has lost 50% so there's that. I don't believe he can grow and run the company anymore. He's way too toxic.Set the bar super high and let him do it. We all know he will achieve it. Little risk to the shareholders if we agree as he won't get the shares unless he achieves.
I'm sorry but you think the truck is a win and not a fail? In what way?Completely discredited everything else you said with that BS statement.
Don't like the optics of this as well but when it is all said and done what shareholder is going to argue against 5-10% dilution for another 7-8x stock price increase. Set the bar super high and let him do it. We all know he will achieve it. Little risk to the shareholders if we agree as he won't get the shares unless he achieves. Bigger risk if we don't give it to him as now it's obvious he will do it outside Tesla.
How come I am seeing 13% stake from multiple sources. How did you get 20%? Stake in the company vs voting rights are different?
That moment when you realize your CEO has been working for free for the last few years...How dare people on a Tesla investment forum care when the CEO of Tesla says he will no longer work on two big growth projects at Tesla because he wants more shares, and threatens to instead work on them at other companies he starts in competition to Tesla.
He hasn't. He got a compensation plan in 2018 that was intended for 10 years.That moment when you realize your CEO has been working for free for the last few years...
How come I am seeing 13% stake from multiple sources. How did you get 20%? Stake in the company vs voting rights are different?
He finished the task early.He hasn't. He got a compensation plan in 2018 that was intended for 10 years.
How dare people on a Tesla investment forum care when the CEO of Tesla says he will no longer work on two big growth projects at Tesla because he wants more shares, and threatens to instead work on them at other companies he starts in competition to Tesla.
Different numbers
13% (ish): Shares he currently has (current voting)
20.6%: Shares + options he has (SEC reporting, meaningless)
18.8% : Shares + options - (exercise and taxes) (max voting after exercise)