cliff harris
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Tesla prioritizes simplicity and engineering elegance. I cant see mixing 2 different batteries passing either test. The cybertruck pack is indeed a mystery.
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Please, do list all of your accomplishments, since kindergarten if necessary. Make some charts while you are at it.
Put circles and arrows on them and notes explaining just how brilliant you have been, are, and will continue to be.
This would represent a more honest assessment of your ego-driven style and likely be more entertaining than reading your usual posts.
We do enjoy a modicum of jocularity around here every now and again.
Factually incorrect.
The average residential rate for PG&E customers is now $0.45!!! (citation though I don't need one since I live in SF Bay Area)
PG&E Electric Rates in 2024: How to Lower Your Essential Electricity Costs
PG&E electric rates are some of the highest in California and more than double the national average. Here's how to lower your electricity costs.
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But it's not just about the absolute cost, it's about the rapid change. Even if it's still cheaper to charge an EV in the Bay Area than buy gas, the point is it is much closer than it was just a few years ago.
A Timeline of PG&E’s Rate Increases – And How to Reduce Your Bill
PG&E rates have soared in recent years. Is there any escape? Luckily, there are ways for California homeowners to save on PG&E. Here’s how.
The average rate has doubled in 4 years! What used to be a big selling point to push people on the fence to an EV is now basically gone in California.
And it's not coming back as utilities like PG&E are planning even more rate hikes.
FYI (and from CNBS)
"A measure of wholesale prices increased less than expected in March, providing some potential relief from worries that inflation will hold higher for longer than many economists had expected.
The producer price index increased 0.2% for the month, less than the 0.3% estimate from the Dow Jones consensus and not as much as the 0.6% increase in February, according to a release Thursday from the Labor Department’s Bureau of Labor Statistics."
"A measure of wholesale prices increased less than expected in March, providing some potential relief from worries that inflation will hold higher for longer than many economists had expected.
The producer price index increased 0.2% for the month, less than the 0.3% estimate from the Dow Jones consensus and not as much as the 0.6% increase in February, according to a release Thursday from the Labor Department’s Bureau of Labor Statistics."
2daMoon
Mostly Harmless
This list of accomplishments seems shorter than you led us to believe it would be.
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What is with the personal attacks? Knock it off please.This list of accomplishments seems shorter than you led us to believe it would be.
Please, do list all of your accomplishments, since kindergarten if necessary. Make some charts while you are at it.
Put circles and arrows on them and notes explaining just how brilliant you have been, are, and will continue to be.
This would represent a more honest assessment of your ego-driven style and likely be more entertaining than reading your usual posts.
We do enjoy a modicum of jocularity around here every now and again.
This is what turns this place in to an echo chamber.Factually incorrect.
The average residential rate for PG&E customers is now $0.45!!! (citation though I don't need one since I live in SF Bay Area)
PG&E Electric Rates in 2024: How to Lower Your Essential Electricity Costs
PG&E electric rates are some of the highest in California and more than double the national average. Here's how to lower your electricity costs.
But it's not just about the absolute cost, it's about the rapid change. Even if it's still cheaper to charge an EV in the Bay Area than buy gas, the point is it is much closer than it was just a few years ago.
A Timeline of PG&E’s Rate Increases – And How to Reduce Your Bill
PG&E rates have soared in recent years. Is there any escape? Luckily, there are ways for California homeowners to save on PG&E. Here’s how.blog.citadelrs.com
The average rate has doubled in 4 years! What used to be a big selling point to push people on the fence to an EV is now basically gone in California.
And it's not coming back as utilities like PG&E are planning even more rate hikes.
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Not mine, but someone in California.
Thats crazy...and I thought the $500 (including materials but not the tesla wall connector) I paid an electrician was steep for only a few hours of work.
2daMoon
Mostly Harmless
If someone wants to demonstrate how right they have been, they are in the best position to show us. Rather than make a claim and expect those who read it to either accept their claim at face value or take time to dig through the prior posts in order to verify it.
This particular poster has a habit of making broad generalizations to support their perspective. Then, presenting it as if it were a highly detailed analysis when their opinion might have been based upon some unverified presumptions.
Granted, some of their information has gone into greater detail, and this is appreciated. I'd prefer that more of their posts avoided presumption and included background to support their statements.
Falling back on how "I've always been right, so I know I'm right now" reminds me of people who prefer to avoid error-checking themselves, or, considering any other possibilities. Instead relying on "I've been doing things this way for (some period of time)" and won't consider new angles or information.
If someone is going to make a claim that their forecast history supports their analysis, then go ahead and show that this is actually something they have tracked, rather than expect us to take their word for it. What if their assessment of their track record is not supported once they go through it?
Looking to qualify such statements rather than take them at face value seems quite the opposite of an echo chamber.
Edit: The point of the original invitation to provide the list of accomplishments was merely calling what might be a bluff.
If one makes a claim, they should be prepared to show their hand when called.
This is an encouragement to "be less wrong," as Elon says.
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I think you are an outlier. An 8 month wait for an electrician does not sound normal. Also, we know for sure that $3000 to install a charger is way outside of normal. For most, the cost is closer to $1000, including installation and the cost of the charger itself.
Krugerrand
Meow
Factually, he did totally over estimate.
Factually, I was most correct being less than 1% off - and to the pessimistic side.
But maybe you haven’t read those posts yet.
Musskiah
DisGruntled
I stand corrected. 0.19-0.29 cents was the average across all of Cali from two different sites. We began this conversation with you stating 35% of all Tesla sales go to California, not just northern Cali where PGE is, just to stay in context. So PGE serves central and northern Cali - isn't every other car a Tesla there anywayFactually incorrect.
The average residential rate for PG&E customers is now $0.45!!! (citation though I don't need one since I live in SF Bay Area)
PG&E Electric Rates in 2024: How to Lower Your Essential Electricity Costs
PG&E electric rates are some of the highest in California and more than double the national average. Here's how to lower your electricity costs.
But it's not just about the absolute cost, it's about the rapid change. Even if it's still cheaper to charge an EV in the Bay Area than buy gas, the point is it is much closer than it was just a few years ago.
A Timeline of PG&E’s Rate Increases – And How to Reduce Your Bill
PG&E rates have soared in recent years. Is there any escape? Luckily, there are ways for California homeowners to save on PG&E. Here’s how.
The average rate has doubled in 4 years! What used to be a big selling point to push people on the fence to an EV is now basically gone in California.
And it's not coming back as utilities like PG&E are planning even more rate hikes.
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?Even at 0.45 cents that is still just $25 a fillup. BUT in California you get a $2500-7500 state EV incentive which definitely offsets the rate difference for at least a couple, if not several years.How do you figured it has doubled in 4 years? The Citadel chart shows 0.26 cents in 2020? Doubling would be 0.52 cents, my good dude (since we are being factually correct and all)
Musskiah
DisGruntled
Maybe worth watching the video. I think his analysis seems factually sound. I would be happy to hear why you disagree after you watch.
Krugerrand
Meow
Not arguing your points. It’s always more complicated under the surface, but given PG&E’s history (just one example and not necessarily indicative of others, but also doesn’t exonerate others), they need to die.
I think the bigger point being expressed is that many companies are poorly run; brimming with wasted resources via mistaken and purposeful mismanagement.
I don't understand: the original post was them talking about how they got it wrong. That even with their conservative-seeming projections, they still ended up being overoptimistic. This did not read to me like someone demonstrating how right they've been, falling back on "i've always been right", or claiming that their forecast history supports their analysis.
This list of accomplishments seems shorter than you led us to believe it would be.
Why don´t the two of you fight it out on PMs and save the rest of us? Thanks.
I pay $0.14 kWh with SDG&E for off peak with their EV plan. I have to pay an additional $15/month to be on the plan and my peak rate is over $0.80 kWh!
I’m always chasing after kids turning off lights during peak hours!
I’m always chasing after kids turning off lights during peak hours!
How low can Rivian and Lucid go? Absolutely brutal value destruction
Krugerrand
Meow
No, it’s what keeps dishonest people from running amok here. When their
is called out, it prevents unsuspecting people from weighting it inappropriately.Similar threads
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