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Nah, I don’t think the trolls have won—noisy and annoying yes—but they’re just working hard cause the shorts are in such a bad position.can we rename this the dark and stormy thread ? seems like many posters are just dropping out it was a good run here while it lasted
the trolls have won... shame
Like you mentioned, US centric.I’m obviously just funin with ya, I’m sure they’ll figure it out, but it is apersistentlow priority problem that they haven’tbeen able to solvefocused on in two years.
Yah probably. I think it might be more of a Canadian eccentricity. Still kinda funny. It’s all good. I’m sure they’ll figure it out.Like you mentioned, US centric.
Not surprising as I've stated before in past comments. The lure/draw for a lot of top/smart people is the greater impact they can do at a smaller company, more focused on 1 thing (The Bot Company), more control (% of stock outstanding), FAR higher upside due to smaller valuation vs. Tesla, more possible leadership/exec growth, more financial rewards obviously. You can also make a name for yourself vs. being at Tesla and would always be overshadowed by Musk.
I'll say this happens at a lot of "old/mature" tech companies as well (Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc) so it's nothing new and not necessary a bad thing.
Good point. I should have referred to his science books, several of which helped some young people to study the subject. Mine was this:The Foundation is fiction. Just like psychohistory. Let’s not confuse a made up science from a fiction book with real science.
Agree with all. Just want to clarify the highest short interest by $$amount was just over $40B in second half 2020. You are correct, we are almost at $20B now, which is not low by historical standards to be sure.Nah, I don’t think the trolls have won—noisy and annoying yes—but they’re just working hard cause the shorts are in such a bad position.
Further shorting seems not to be having a lot of effect. The dollars shorted is almost certainly over $20 billion and that’s at or near the highest of the usual high water marks.
The Cybertruck is phenomenal and is turning into a phenom. Autonomy is nigh.
I’ve learned to smirk and scroll on by.
@Knightshade
I won't be long-winded in my response. I'll keep it simple:
Shorting a stock heavily near all time lows is paradoxical because generally it makes more sense to short a stock as it is near its highs, not it's lows.
"Piling on," as you said, is exactly right. Piling on the keep the stock down.
The "high" and "low" in the last year is actually quite significant. Shares shorted are up over 60% from their lows. Check the historical numbers.
0.99% loans cost about as much as the inventory discounts they previously offered. I don't see a meaningful impact on margins. Might help sales since many buyers respond more to a bargain rate. it's a turnoff for cash buyers or those with high trade-in equity, though. Legacy offers discounts in lieu of 0% financing, Tesla should as well at least behind the scenes.
I was simply answering the question:I'm not sure what your point is in pointing out we are currently below the "final triggers" because they already triggered.
Waste of company resources. The board should be paying for this “bring out the vote effort” out of their own pocketsThis doesn’t look good. Elon has probably told the board he’s leaving if the vote doesn’t pass.
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I think we will see a lot of departures and rearrangements in the AI industry for the reasons you've listed.
For e.g. OpenAI co-founder Ilya Sutskever has just announced he's moving on. It shouldn't be surprising, but I'm already seeing breathless articles from the same tech journalists that pile on Tesla claiming his departure is a bad omen for OpenAI.
Those are contradictory things though. Piling on as it goes lower means total SI will be HIGHER when the price is LOWER. That's what piling on IS.
Again, the amount of shorting has been quite steady for a while now.... Below is a chart of short interest over the last 5 years.
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It drops DRASTICALLY the first year or so shown, and steady down
By mid 2021 it's about where it is right now 3 years later
And largely stays there moving between roughly 2.9% and 3.7% up and down the whole 3 years (with a brief dip into the mid-2% late 2022).
And this isn't some pre-covid weird glitch... here's SI % since the IPO
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It was insanely high (often over 50% of float) from 2012-2014... then settled down to roughly 25-30% late 2014 through late-2019
then just fell off a cliff relatively speaking to this 3-ish percent it's been at most of the last few years.
The idea it's "REALLY HIGH RIGHT NOW" just aint' so.
It's number-to-the-right-of-the-decimal higher than it was last year.
It's basically right where it was 3 years go (slightly lower today in fact)
It's 10-12 times lower as float % than it was in the early/bad days.
I did.
Short interest remains near historical lows as a % of floated shares. 1 year ago it was 3.45% of float, it's 3.87% at last report. That's a tiny difference. 3 years ago it was higher than today.
As shown in the charts.
Are you just going by raw # of shares without considering the splits or something?
@Knightshade You are getting lost in minutiae.
Simply graph SP and short interest 2021-present. You'll see the inverse correlation that is quite suspect.
Probably a good realistic analysis/summary of where we are with the 4680 cells. I can't find the original article that Jordon is referencing.